EVE General Discussion

1. For Eve that is not a justifiable reason where a lot of gameplay is based around boring your opponent into submission
2. You cannot make it tough in hisec, in the thread about this in F&I it was clearly felt that the ability to deal with sub caps in hisec was sub par.
3. Define whole fleet, if you say two DPS and a logi I start to get twitchy...
4. Taking into account a dickstar and last nights Fortizer there is no comparison

I like the fact that you need to have a fleet, but I find hisec structures too damn weak

Again, you make that sound like a good thing, when it's really not. It's just how things are or used to be. That does not mean every mechanic in Eve needs to be "no fun allowed" forever.

That is what I was told and it was manned, but had no defending fleet, again it could be someone telling tales on the forums.

I had a look and found one on the 29th November in Oisio with three DPS, no idea if it was defended by an active player but it was setup sort of...

Gulfonodi 13th November was 3 DPS and a Logi, though again it was not fully set up.

Iluin 13th November had two DPS one was a drake, would love to know if it was defended...

Ishisomo 18th October 3 DPS again fully setup hard to say if manned.

Most are blown up in that initial on-lining period which I have to say is really silly, which is another design aspect that annoys me.

All of those would have been a lot easier then a Large **** star or a death star.

Eve Online grew the fastest when the game was much harsher and solo-player unfriendly. CCP has spent much of the past 6 or so years making the game easier, safer and less cuthroat, only to have PCU numbers fall with each buff to highsec, and each nerf to non-consensual PvP.

Now this is just a correlation and there are many other confounding factors and game changes that have influenced the PCU, but these numbers certainly do not support your view that removing the conflict from the game is a path to long-term growth of Eve. If anything, they would suggest CCP might consider a change in development direction and start making things less safe and try to nurture meaningful large-scale conflict between players instead of the consensual small-gang 'honour-fights' the developers seem to have been favouring the last half-decade or so.

In any case, invoking CCP financials as a reason to change the game to what you personally want it to be is getting tiresome. Eve is an open-world sandbox game and always has been. CCP is not going to, this late in the development cycle of the game, change it into some sort of single-player themepark MMO where solo players are on equal footing with organized groups of thousands of people. CCP will continue to develop Eve Online as a single nowhere-is-safe virtual universe, which by definition means that larger groups will always have an advantage over smaller groups and solo players. That may mean Eve is not the game for you or your "new money" players, but I wouldn't worry too much for CCP as people have been claiming that Eve will die if their personal wants aren't catered to pretty much since the servers went live and the game is still chugging along just fine.

If it's not doing anything to disrupt the cap chain then yes, absolutely.
It's a poorly thought out plan granted.
However all it takes to make that an extremely poorly thought out plan is a single falcon.
The citadel will kill anything worth bringing if you can keep the logi off for long enough.

But If it's undefended, it'll cap out eventually and it will burn.

I see you decided not to respond to this:



And instead went on a distorted rant about hisec and a cry about can flipping, that was the definition of risk averse, before the can flipper had the risk of the person he can flipped, often a noob in a ship that could not shoot back, now they have the risk of being suspect and being shot by others, and you know what, they stopped doing it because they are too risk averse, what stops people from can flipping now? I see people suspect baiting, why don't people can flip now, serious damn question, the answer for me is that the people doing it like baltec1 were risk averse.

And all this about risk reward being out of kilter in hisec, casual players do not want to spend their time in low or nullsec, they cannot be bothered with the camping type rubbish in those areas of space, no mater what you do they will still reject it.

I am wealthy and I make it so no one can get me in this game, because I am good at the game I have to have my game play ruined, yeah great game balance mate. I don't do stuff that makes me an easy kill so I have to be punished for it by CCP, who is the entitled one here, me or you? I have stopped doing stuff where there is no counter, my choice, so that is bad and you must punish me for it, great gameplay mate.

And this is why these citadels are a bit naff, the ones for hisec are not fit for purprose, because no one in hisec doing indy is able to defend them. That being said I am interested if this does change the makeup of hisec, but hisec is so bad in terms of apathy I can't see it, we have had this conversation before by the way

Let me detail some advanatges you have gained, like loot scooping through DST's, the massive incease in freighter wreck EHP which occurred as soon as AG started to blow the wrecks up, can't have that can we as the gankers had no counter, funny how that does not work the other way round, or am I missing something... You still have the no consequence bumping which became a major thing once CCP Falcon gave it a green light with the allowing of hyperdunking and on which we still wait and wait for a fix, so they can move fast on freighter EHP but not on bumping, wonder why that is?

If that fleet is less than what was needed to kill a large properly set up POS then perhaps it is not so silly? After all two dps and a logi makes me snigger, come on that is pathetic...

To be fair, if this was the same video I watched, that citadel was not fit properly for defense, and I am pretty sure he mentioned this in the video. All he was trying to do was annoy them and make it take as long as possible because he knew there was nothing he could do.

1. He drained his cap using the ECM mods. While he may have had passive mods hidden, there are ways to help this.

2. He had no point to keep things on grid.

3. There were three neut gaurdians on grid. With a point and his two ecm mods, he could have held things down to prevent reps.

4. A raitaru is not meant to fight on its own (no citadel really is, but the indy arrays definitely need to be defended).

You get to set your (very limited) vuln timers, you get an artificial limit on incoming dps, 250km scrams & people want the thing to auto-gank too?

FS get a grip peeps, an astrahaus is like 2 PLEX or so fitted. Edit - and all your stuff gets saved too!

Unlikely. Look at a properly balanced profession like exploration. No professional explorer confines themselves to only highsec sites. They roam all around New Eden, serving as content and creating activity in all the spaces and are rewarded for taking those risks. Similarly PI and gas mining work well at drawing players out of highsec and the massive increase in rewards easily offsets the odd lost ship.

CCP has taken steps in recent years to make nullsec mining a thing with some success although the effort vs reward of highsec AFK mining is still too high. They will have a great opportunity with the Drilling Platform to build on this and get this sorted, perhaps with a nerf to AFK mining and/or a buff to active mining. Industry is also not properly incentivized to be done in more dangerous spaces so is done overwhelmingly in highsec, but perhaps the added risk of the EC over the POS will fix this once POSes are deprecated.

I will agree with you that nullsec AFK ratting is a terrible mechanic and honestly out of control now. It is overdue for both a nerf in value as well as a complete rethink of how it is done, but the problem is that it is the only real reason to take sov now (especially if moon mining goes away). There really needs to be another, more active replacement for income generation for sov holders (as well as more diversity), one that isn't eclipsed by just running the totally beaten and min-maxed highsec incursions.

Players should always be able to play in the relative safety of highsec, but this should not be the most lucrative way to play as it is often the case. There needs to be reasons to take risks and spend the effort to secure/defend space or the game just degenerates into a boring consensual space battle game, the virtual universe CCP is trying to create drowned in all this safety.

Eve isn't ever going to die because there are too many explosions. It's more likely to suffer a long descent into boredom hastened by well-meaning devs who listen to the constant bleating for more safety from much of the player base.