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will no one think of the poor idiot who has been abusing a broken game mechanic forever and now feels entitled to it

Pros:
Everything in one place and not having to juggle materials through different hangers to complete build jobs.

Cons:
Medium-Rigs too granular- see above. Would need 3-4 structures to do what I do now effectively at at 9-12 times the fuel cost and 4 times the initial investment.

Large- Would need two to do what I do now and costing 10 times more, plus 4 times the fuel cost.

XL-Now I can do what I do now in a medium POS for just 50b plus.....

1 week to unanchor- Ignore the war dec argument as that is just the cost of doing business, but if you are not moving your tower often to take advantage of lower indexes you are losing out on margin.

Why lease out lines? I prefer the savings of going to unused systems and take advantage of the low index.

A 0.1% index system saves you 90% over a 1% index system. My operation can move the index from 0.1 to 3-4% in three weeks. Never install a capital research job in anything, but a flat system even if it is 0.1%. It will save you billions in install costs. Get rid of indexes and these may have a chance to work as cooperative ventures.

Heh, I liked it.

Anyway, to get back on topic, could someone from the team explain what has changed between Crius and now to make the reasoning for the Thukker CAA invalid?

LS capital producers will still produce capitals in LS, and NS outposts will still remain with their ludicrous bonuses. What exactly has changed for CCP to remove the viability of building Caps in LS?

Ah well, I think that's a fitting commentary on how CCP thinks.

If you don't fit in, you're gone.

Anyway, could we get some CCP action in here? I'd like to see a deeper explanation of how they've structured these systems.

Not had time to fully get to grips with all the connotations yet but it seems like some of the rig bonuses should be on tech I and II modules rather than on so many rigs. I would say that the rigs should affect general traits like fuel consumption (improved power cells), improved time costs (enhanced job control mainframes etc).

I was refering to a Medium Citadell cost from hull to modules, to rigs, and services.
5b-ish, it is roughly the price for an Astrahus well fitted (with T2 rigs).

But the question is not really the cost.
When we think about it, is what CCP wants for his game.
And the answer is clearly : nomore solo player / small entities thing.

I personnally think that it's a very bad idea for a game calling itself a "Sandbox".
You don't force people to socialise in a sandbox, you persuade them to.
Here CCP is clearly forcing solo players or small entities to use wealthier people's / bigger entities' platforms/stations.

If it can be seen as an annomaly for solo players or small entities to be able to manufacture anything anywhere (your words), which i'm agree on, to a certain extent, it would've been way smarter from CCP to use other subtle ways to reduce this possibility while still maintaining the whole "adventure" thing we love in Eve Online.

I'm not talking specificly about manufacturing gameplay actually, i'm talking about the whole idea of "housing" / "sturcture" in this game.
And what CCP is clearly showing, is that they do not give a freaking f.ck about solo players and small entities.

Wether they would want to just have an owned home in space, a self owned factory, or a self mining haedquarter, they will have no other choice than using others' structures, or NPCs' ones.
That therefore means, that if they want to venture in a far-away-land, and try to build from scratch in this, they believe, isolated system, they won't be able to anymore.
They'll have to spend a lot of money to own theirs, and risk a lot, or they'll have to use another one's station, and therefore, forget about going in this adventure in that far-away-land as "pioneers".

That's not what i'm calling an "enhanced Sandbox experience".

Going out there, in Minecraft, harvesting blocs, to build his own dirt house sounded way for sandbox-y than what this all Eve Online structure thing is.
POSs were those blocs.
CCP just needs to add a small-sized version of all those structures to let solo players / tiny small entities experience this game as a real Sandbox.

This. I see no rigs for capital ship building. Only Capital Construction Parts. There is a rig for the XL that says "Ships". I find it odd that we can produce dreads, carriers, and FAXes in a large, but we have no rigs for them.

Also, and perhaps more importantly, since caps cannot dock at an Azbel complex, does this mean that when we deliver these complete cap ship jobs at an Azbel complex will the ship simply get ejected out into space untethered? With no one in it, anyone can just walk up to it and steal it. Does this mean I now need an alt sitting out in space waiting to catch the ship like some sort of interstellar wet-nurse?

edit: It would be fine if the completed job were simply delivered to the manufacturing character's hanger and then could be traded to an alt with the proper skills to fly it.

As long as they don't get ejected into space that's good then but still think the showing of what youre building to anyone who warps to your EC is a very bad idea especially considering they could never see whether you were building something or not

Hey folks, thanks for all the replies so far. I'm going through everything and I'll be making a big Q&A post with answers at some point soon.

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