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Id think it be interesting to set the array range from a citadel as half of the citadels lock range. Then set the arrays range from another array to double its locks range. Then the citadels would make more sense for defense and offense.




The give would be sync any invul timers for all arrays and citadels with in a fields range.


So say to kill the array you must first reinforce the citadel that the array is linked to.

You have to pick one citadel as your home citadel on that field so you would not be able to just chain arrays and citadels. Maybe make it to where your home citadel gets the reduced range requirements and any other would still have to be 1000k away and any array tied to it would also get the reduced range requirements.

Then this give you options on how many citadels and arrays you have in this configurations. While being able to mix and mach different sizes of citadels and arrays into cities.

or

Another crazier idea make it so citadels can pull in any ship within 1500k range

You could either try to kill the array or reinforce the citadel first. If you ignor the citadel it starts to pull you into its range till your on top of it.

One of the problems is, that people mostly only talk to people in their corp.
What about "research/production as a service"? So you can rent production/invention capacity as a small scale industrial and you get together with others without needing to be in the same corp.
The asset safety works the same as in citadels so you can shoot down a Engineering complex like a citadel to get at your BPOs or materials if you get excluded. Or there could be some mechanic, that the owner can prevent you from starting new jobs and a revocation of docking right gets into effect 24h after the last job finishes. This way you can get your things out if you have a disagreement with the owner.

question about building Freighter. and fuel cost


dev blog state that Standup Manufacturing Plant I can manufacturing everything expect capital ship.

do we need a Standup Capital Shipyard I to build Freighter , Jump Freighter (and Orca, bowhead)?


Nowadays we can use just one POS, around 30 block/hr, to run many different industry job (research, copy, component manufacture, capital and supercap manufacture )
but i need about 100 block/hr when using the new structure?

Defensive capabilities of higsec structures will be much lower than citadels.
If you put this structure - then all your alts will build in it.
Keeping this structure constantly reinforced give you unique possibility to keep someone production slots blocked for a very long time, unless he will cancel his jobs.

Doing this to M class fab, will be much easier than to typical higsec S or M pos that have guns and hards.

I am not sure you get it. CCP is trying to correct the mistakes that were made in the past with POSes, just like they are doing for off-grid boosts. It is broken that a lone player can build almost everything with 100% safety in a single highsec POS. It provides for little player choice, incentive to join forces, and provides little content to those looking to wreck dreams rather than build them.

It is completely intentional that you will now be vulnerable. It is completely intentional that you cannot build everything with max efficiency and will have to make choices. It is completely intentional that it is not economical for the typical solo player to run one of these by themselves.

Don't worry, players will adapt. Just like mercenaries who organized and grouped up after the Inferno wardec changes to share increased costs, or the organizational structures highsec gankers formed after the insurance nerfs. Industrialists now have some pressure to form organizations to spread these increased costs and use shared facilities, rather than each one setting up a complete operation in some private bolt-hole. In part, the security problems with POSes encouraged that, but now with the new structures those worries are all but gone.

I am sure CCP is happy to trade a system that was done optimally by single players immune from attack in highsec, to one that encourages cooperation and interaction, and is vulnerable to disruption by other players. Your proposals go directly against that apparent design direction and I presume have no chance of being implemented.

Cloning-Services
less vulnerable timers

There is 100% safety in highsec POSes. You get 24h notice of a war and have sufficient time to remove every single bit of your in-space infrastructure to the absolute safety of a station. Unless you cannot login during the warm-up period to a war, you can with certainty remove any chance of loss of your space station. They are 100% safe.

ECs cannot be taken down within that 24 hours. Have you not read the devblog, or noticed this fact with Citadels? They take 7 days to unanchor, and thus yes are vulnerable to attack by someone who objects to your industrial operation.

That is a long overdue fix for highsec player-owned structures. I am glad the clock is finally ticking down for those POSes.

Actually, that's not quite right.

If you can provide them with constant supply of the goods they require, they will provide the complex for you.

If these have the same mechanics as Citadels (seems they do), they won't be getting taken down to avoid wardecs. A week to take it down + lost rigs + the invulnerability timer at unanchoring....

More chance, there just won't be many of them around as they are just not worth the outlay and running costs for such limited uses.

Even setting one up for public access - How do you set it up? What rigs (which are very specialized) do you fit. Will there be enough players willing to pay what you need to charge to cover costs (large, at least 50% more than a large pos with far less capability).

Will you run it at a loss for the time it takes to attempt to build up enough customers for it to pay for itself? Or, will you just stick to your pos and make do with what works and shows a profit?

I was looking forward to these being released but with the limited use for such high cost - Forget it, I'll stick to a pos.

While your POS is down you are not running a business. Your business is interrupted. That is not 100% safety.

You need to understand what industry is about before you start claiming that POSes have 100% safety.

Even with EC your valuable assets are 100% safe. The only risk you take is if you're the one that owns the EC and don't have enough pilots around to defend it from a wardec, and do not make enough profit from public access to cover the inevitable losses.

With ECs the public access fees may help make the structure profitable of its own accord, where a POS was never profitable on its own accord.

So even though they're destructible, ECs represent less risk than a POS, assuming you can attract other industrialists to use your installation.