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why does it seem like CCP is castrating high sec content creators

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#961 - 2016-10-10 16:36:44 UTC
March rabbit wrote:

WoW.... Shocked

... just WoW ...

calm down, you can hurt yourself


With March rabbit on this, calm your mammories and just whack it with facts.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#962 - 2016-10-10 16:43:50 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
March rabbit wrote:

WoW.... Shocked

... just WoW ...

calm down, you can hurt yourself


With March rabbit on this, calm your mammories and just whack it with facts.

Sooth your booobs

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#963 - 2016-10-10 17:22:13 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Marcus Binchiette wrote:
Essentially, what I am trying to say is that CODE has not yet experienced the kind of war which would be likely do to harm.
Pray do enlighten us with your, no doubt new and refreshing, thoughts on what kind of war would do them harm.

Yeah I've been holding off on this thread waiting to see what his idea is.
I've brought popcorn and arranged some entertainment while we wait

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Feyd's Survival Pack
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#964 - 2016-10-11 04:24:35 UTC
The suspension.. I am sitting on the edge of my seat here!

Evil RatKid
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#965 - 2016-10-11 06:24:11 UTC  |  Edited by: 13kr1d1
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Because there is clearly at least one very high profile dev who wants to control the narrative of the game and he doesn't like gankers. In addition he continually lies to the community and makes up BS stories to feed people, but they are just never consistent.



daily reminder that this was once a thing:

https://web.archive.org/web/20100722152815/http://play.eveonline.com/en/getting-started/career-options.aspx

or this

https://web.archive.org/web/20140207081646/http://www.eveonline.com/


Now in contrast, this is what the main eve online page looks like.

https://www.eveonline.com/

What? Taking all that intro content out, and replacing it with 4 HUUUGE blocks of either videos or other content that explains nothing, or "BUY NOW" buttons?

You want to drive new players away, CCP? Well you done it will with a big, mysterious, terrible main page. That design is the worst I've ever seen and its like they've gone backwards.

Every time I've played an MMO, or even bought a single player game, I've always relied on good, functional websites that tell me about it. Some videos that don't explain crap are perfect ways to push people from even trying eve.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#966 - 2016-10-11 06:37:57 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Bexol Regyri wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
I think you are rather confused, you are mistaking adjusting bad mechanics and balancing the game for blocking what you define as content.

Do you feel that it is a good mechanic that a ship can hold another in space and be protected in doing so by CONCORD, if you think that ending this practice is castrating content creators in hisec then I have to ask wouldn't you be better off in WOW.


I am guessing you are talking about the bumping changes, but again that can be avoided by checking your route on a map. If anything for that change it should be some kind of warp module that can placed on a ship or just take the whole aligning and getting up to speed a way instead of having some kind of loophole in the game mechanics.


I it seems you are confused, WOW is a ultra safe game compared to Eve. another reason why i am here instead of there.


I am hardly confused, a Macherial bumping a freighter is pretty damn safe, he is carrying out PvP without consequences and being protected to boot by CONCORD. Tell me again that I am confused in pointing this loophole of a mechanic out.

Go and enjoy ganking its fun, but stop whining about removing something that gave expensive kills with no consequences, its tedious and pathetic and makes you look weak.


hang on, bumping now gets people kills? And without a sec hit loss or risking a ship? Amazing!

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
Mr Crowley
Tolerable Risk
Void Chapter Requiem
#967 - 2016-10-11 19:20:48 UTC
Fiddly Pop wrote:
Bexol Regyri wrote:

I am guessing you are talking about the bumping changes, but again that can be avoided by checking your route on a map. If anything for that change it should be some kind of warp module that can placed on a ship or just take the whole aligning and getting up to speed a way instead of having some kind of loophole in the game mechanics.


You are absolutely correct putting a 3 minute time on warps is a loophole. It should be a warp fail safe module or the aligning and hitting warp speed should be done away with if they want to stop bumping.



Na, you and pro bump people don't get it. It is an exploit of a game mechanic. CCP never intended it's (failed) physics engine to be used in this way. There is no way to counteract it through independent normal gameplay and the expectation of 20+ additional jumps is just silly. Thusly this exploit was nursed in a way that still provides reasonable use to content creation.

Suicide ganking if you. Price has not been touched. Why? Well because through normal play it can be countered. (MWD and cloak, passive tanks etc.

So all the content creators are free to keep doing what they do, they are just not allowed to exploit anymore. Boo-whoo
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#968 - 2016-10-11 20:08:54 UTC
Mr Crowley wrote:
Fiddly Pop wrote:
Bexol Regyri wrote:

I am guessing you are talking about the bumping changes, but again that can be avoided by checking your route on a map. If anything for that change it should be some kind of warp module that can placed on a ship or just take the whole aligning and getting up to speed a way instead of having some kind of loophole in the game mechanics.


You are absolutely correct putting a 3 minute time on warps is a loophole. It should be a warp fail safe module or the aligning and hitting warp speed should be done away with if they want to stop bumping.



Na, you and pro bump people don't get it. It is an exploit of a game mechanic. CCP never intended it's (failed) physics engine to be used in this way. There is no way to counteract it through independent normal gameplay and the expectation of 20+ additional jumps is just silly. Thusly this exploit was nursed in a way that still provides reasonable use to content creation.

Suicide ganking if you. Price has not been touched. Why? Well because through normal play it can be countered. (MWD and cloak, passive tanks etc.

So all the content creators are free to keep doing what they do, they are just not allowed to exploit anymore. Boo-whoo


Its been used for over a decade in null to get stuff out of a POS or out of docking range on a station. Not an exploit, what CCP are doing is what they have been doing for the last 5 years. They are catering to the bears of highsec who don't want to put any effort into protecting themselves.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#969 - 2016-10-12 00:00:52 UTC
Mark Marconi wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:


Oh STFU.

No seriously, just STFU and STFD or just leave the game. We won't miss Bads™ like you.

If you overload your freighter you are asking to be ganked. If you are prudent, that is do not overload your freighter and use a scout you'll be fine.

I am so sick and tired of bad players like you going on and on about risk vs. reward when in truth you are talking out of your a$$. You do not understand risk, risk vs. reward or what it means to be risk averse or risk seeking. Here let me help you, if you load up 8+ billion ISK in your freighter you are risk SEEKING. Yes you are SEEKING risk you stupid fool.

So how about you have a nice cup of STFU and then STFD...or if that is not to your liking GTFO. No seriously, quit. Go play some other game where you can be a dumbass and it will cost you nothing for being a dumbass.

Seriously this is just a game. I am lobbying a point of view, while others lobby theirs.

So please seek professional help, that was way off the charts. That wasn't a sarcastic comment or anything else, I think you need professional help.


Or you could just learn what you are writing about. Instead you come and whine and whine and whine, and the hard fact is you are advocating where risk seeking behavior is rewarded.

If people are seeking risk...why are they upset when they find it? They got what they were looking for. Why blame those who gave them what they wanted. They wanted that risk, and they got it. Everyone should be happy.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#970 - 2016-10-12 00:06:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Mr Crowley wrote:
Fiddly Pop wrote:
Bexol Regyri wrote:

I am guessing you are talking about the bumping changes, but again that can be avoided by checking your route on a map. If anything for that change it should be some kind of warp module that can placed on a ship or just take the whole aligning and getting up to speed a way instead of having some kind of loophole in the game mechanics.


You are absolutely correct putting a 3 minute time on warps is a loophole. It should be a warp fail safe module or the aligning and hitting warp speed should be done away with if they want to stop bumping.



Na, you and pro bump people don't get it. It is an exploit of a game mechanic. CCP never intended it's (failed) physics engine to be used in this way. There is no way to counteract it through independent normal gameplay and the expectation of 20+ additional jumps is just silly. Thusly this exploit was nursed in a way that still provides reasonable use to content creation.

Suicide ganking if you. Price has not been touched. Why? Well because through normal play it can be countered. (MWD and cloak, passive tanks etc.

So all the content creators are free to keep doing what they do, they are just not allowed to exploit anymore. Boo-whoo


Right an exploit that has been used for years and discussed over hundreds if not thousands of posts on these forums and CCP never noticed....please. This is just too stupid.

And there are counters. Don't be risk seeking and use a scout and you'll be fine.

Seriously, why are so many people hung up on people who engage in risk seeking behavior and when it turns our bad for them rush in and say, "Oh that is bad!"? This has always been a game about consequences and over filling your freighter makes you, literally, a player who is seeking risk.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#971 - 2016-10-12 05:26:46 UTC
How do you scout for bumpers?

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#972 - 2016-10-12 05:59:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
The 'creating content' standing joke might be about dead. Skill Injectors, FTP update incoming. Kind of seems that CCP wants new guys to have a good day, or even 30 mostly good days, so they hang around for 30 days more. Don't know of any way to invest counter to the 'high sec content creation' business model and make isk from it. But I would if I could. And I definitely would not invest into a long-term high sec bumping/ganking plan.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#973 - 2016-10-12 06:14:42 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
How do you scout for bumpers?


Well I suppose you'd jump into system and see if there is a macherial sitting there. Granted they could cloak, but I have seen them just sitting there. You could even wait for awhile to see if they are cloaked and decloak and start bumping.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Commander Spurty
#974 - 2016-10-12 10:50:33 UTC
Proper fix for bumping.

If a pilot rams a ship they are not in fleet with, the bigger ship wins. The smaller one pops.

It's good for the economy - ships exploding.

So much content, you would think it was Christmas. But so many tears, you'd think the snow was salt.

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#975 - 2016-10-12 12:05:13 UTC
Commander Spurty wrote:
Proper fix for bumping.

If a pilot rams a ship they are not in fleet with, the bigger ship wins. The smaller one pops.

It's good for the economy - ships exploding.

So much content, you would think it was Christmas. But so many tears, you'd think the snow was salt.


Park a wall of freighters outside the jita undock.
Niten Doraku
Doomheim
#976 - 2016-10-12 12:20:29 UTC

Why is it so important for one group of players to force their style of play onto another group of players?

I infiltrated c0d3 and what I saw was inauspicious.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#977 - 2016-10-12 12:55:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Niten Doraku wrote:

Why is it so important for one group of players to force their style of play onto another group of players?
I agree with the sentiment. I have no idea why carebears think they are entitled to remove themselves from PvP in a full-time, PvP sandbox and force their 'play style' on the rest of us who are here to participate in the rough-and-tumble, single universe competitive game that CCP has built, rather than some FarmVille-in-space clone.

If they don't want to PvP, then why don't they just go play one of the many other space games where that is optional? Instead, they constantly try to get CCP nerf our game into boredom, with some success even.

Player-driven content can only flow if the players are vulnerable to each other. Given Eve's central premise is that we are each other's content (AKA: Everyone vs. Everyone) in a single shared universe vying for power and resources, keeping that life-blood of content flowing is critical for the game to function and for player-driven stories to flower, no matter how some entitled special snowflake feels about that or how sad they get after losing some imaginary space pixels.

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#978 - 2016-10-12 12:55:50 UTC
Niten Doraku wrote:
Why is it so important for one group of players to force their style of play onto another group of players?

Calm down miner. We do not force a play stile on anyone, we just enforce a just set of rules in our sovereign territory. I think everyone can agree this is a just cause.

Evil RatKid
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#979 - 2016-10-12 12:58:27 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Commander Spurty wrote:
Proper fix for bumping.

If a pilot rams a ship they are not in fleet with, the bigger ship wins. The smaller one pops.

It's good for the economy - ships exploding.

So much content, you would think it was Christmas. But so many tears, you'd think the snow was salt.


Park a wall of freighters outside the jita undock.

suicide-bump a freighter into a ball of Skiffs

Evil RatKid
Niten Doraku
Doomheim
#980 - 2016-10-12 13:11:37 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
the rest of us who are here to participate in the rough-and-tumble, single universe competitive game that CCP has built

It's so funny that you consider bumping a miner to be, "rough-and-tumble" PvP.

I infiltrated c0d3 and what I saw was inauspicious.