EVE General Discussion

At one point it was possible to fit cruise missile launchers to frigates. That got fixed.

At one point there was no hisec or lowsec, just people shooting each other day in and day out. Hisec was added to the game because it simply was not fun for pilots who could only afford a frigate to be kerb stomped by other pilots in more powerful ships. This is also where tracking, falloff, sensor resolution, signature radius etc come from. Sure my memory may be flaky but this is the story that I was told by beta players and devs.

At one point wardecs were terribly broken so CCP "fixed" them (from memory, a keyword is "moo"), but then a bunch of carebear alliances rode shotgun on a defender to a Goon wardec, so that got fixed (again from memory, "Honda Accord").

Then there was boomerang ganking where the ganker would warp about on grid, firing a salvo with artillery, warp to a different point on grid before CONCORD got a scram on, reload during warp, and continue until the target was dead. It was clearly an exploit, but oh my the salty tears from gankers claiming that CCP was breaking their game when they simply stopped ships with criminal flags from warping anywhere!

All kinds of stuff has happened and been fixed. You wouldn't believe how broken it was.

Oh: modifying tracking in certain unknown systems so that tracking went negative, meaning autocannons could hit with critical hits at infinite range. Modifying resistances so that deep space transports would explode after taking 1 point of damage. Wiring POS reactors up so that you would continue to produce moon goo products even though there was no moon goo. Arranging fleets to exploit grids so that your logistics were invisible to the enemy, with your damage dealing craft entering and leaving the enemy's grid to shoot POSes but leaving grid a few moments later to receive heals from logistics. Blap titans. Blap dreads. Refitting in combat to maximise survivability and damage output.

Perhaps most groups whine from time-to-time, but most groups don't whine over the fundamental design of the game they have chosen to play like the carebear does.

You (not you Nevyn, you in the general sense) are suppose to be vulnerable to me. You are suppose to be my content, just like I am suppose to be vulnerable to you and be your content. That is how the core game is designed. Yet the carebear comes here and proclaims that this is unfair, and they should be able to isolate themselves from the other players so they can accumulate imaginary assets at no risk, yet still be able to influence our shared economy with their activities on their terms. They selfishly assert that their PvE/Industry-only life-style is valid and should be catered to, despite the fact this violates the main core design pillar of the game and they are always suppose to be at risk.

I am sorry, but I have no more patience for that. Eve is a full-time, open-world PvP sandbox game. If you want to come here and complain say for example, that there is no easy and effective counter to bump-tackling in highsec for haulers, then fine, as rightly or wrongly you are at least trying to improve the game. But if you come here and say that bump-tacking is broken because highsec should be safe, or the game is broken because there is no way you can remove any possibility for another player to attack you or your corp or your structures (or that it is 'unfair' that they can in the first place and you should have the ability to opt-out of PvP), I am going to rightly call you out as a carebear and suggest you go and play something else (note: again this is in general and not a personal call out directed at you).

Every buff to highsec safety just means less and less happens in the space new players are first exposed to. No wonder there are problems integrating them into and retaining them in the game after how much content and conflict has been removed and how lifeless highsec has become. Let's hope this new voice-acted NPE works as intended and gives new players the basics in safe environment, before releasing them into the more vibrant environment of faction warfare where they can actually see players interacting with each other, and not into a sector of space overflowing with silently multiboxing invulnerable Skiff fleets, and solo mission runners where nothing interesting is likely to ever happen to them.

WoW....

... just WoW ...

calm down, you can hurt yourself

Actually I like the endless grind and the accumulation of ISK. Traders like trading and suckering some idiot out of goods cheap so they can make more isk. Different strokes.

I will admit I too think this is a great idea, this game has so much to offer that you can never really see it all or do it all, I have been a miner, trader, gate camper, wormholer, small gang in null, etc... I still haven't got any where close to having done it all.

The NPE needs to let people know there is more out there based on their time requirements and personality. Yes my current time and temperament means I like to mine in high sec and write huge spreadsheets working out production costs. Everyone is different any everyone should experience what they can out of this game.

So I think it is great they are telling the new players more.

I never claimed that they serve a higher or noble purpose; and you're right, something is lost on you, it's not what you think though.

You're entitled to your opinion.

Except that it has happened, many many times; wars put little or no dent in their operations.

Well duhh.

Perhaps you should post on a character that's older than a month and a bit before making comments on others experience and understanding of how things work.

The main thing I took from them and other kills in 2010 was the time it took to kill a freighter compared to now.

Ok I will admit having looked at this months kill mails on freighters there are a lot of ummm....numbty pilots with 3 cargo expanders on freighters or various items to make them enter warp faster rather than tanking them but it is still hideously unbalanced that we have gone from cruisers and battle cruisers to kill freighters to cheap destroyers. And the warping faster might work if not for the bumping they are taking care of next month.

I have no problem as long as the pilots are putting up a reasonable risk to gain the reward but 10 mill in destroyers is pathetic.

Well, it would seem that the penny hadn't dropped yet.




I'm not so much commenting on your understanding of how things work. I'm commenting on your understanding of what I'm saying... Though, TBH I actually think it might be better if you didn't understand. While I might be new to this game, I am not new to strategy games - and so my experience might count for more than you might think. Essentially, what I am trying to say is that CODE has not yet experienced the kind of war which would be likely do to harm.

So I better update my threat matrix then.. Marcus Binchiette.. can't wait to hear what he has in store for us.

Yeah I've been holding off on this thread waiting to see what his idea is.

It feels like you're castrated because you are! Highsec PvPers are steers and PvPers anywhere else are bulls.

Beef lol