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No, not too much. I will ask Soundwave if we can organize something along those lines, but I personally think it would be good to have a solid basis for discussion first (similar to the "0.0 design goals" blogs that started the discussion), and that would take time.

Thank you for the responses on FW. Even if you guys can't promise action quickly, it will be enough for many of us that had started to truly believe that it was an abandoned area.

PLEASE don't do the silent treatment/thread avoid regardless of which way things are going. No news is bad news as far as many players are concerned. Many of the players that were active and enjoyable to play with or against have unsubbed or gone idle as they have felt that 12months or so of silence indicated a complete lack of interest.

Just knowing that it is still a subject that has someone pushing it means that I won't be unsubbing alts so I can afford Perpetuum - although I will still keep a main there just in case Hilmar makes CCP bankrupt.

Just throw us some bones and we will make the soup.

I heartily agree!

Come on CCP, I can't believe that a little bit of effort in FW wouldn't bring you massive rewards especially for new players..

FW being broken isnt only referring to plexing. It also refers to 0.0 alliances (as well as pirate alliances) bringing in supers (that need desperately to be rebalanced and made more vulnerable in low sec) as a trump card (and hordes of their alliance corps) to annihilate any FW corp it can, preventing FW corps from engaging in FW against each other at all.

Also, preventing FW corps from forming alliances under the faction they serve that would better help balance the politics of these third parties who would interfere with FW in the warzone systems.

FW is broken. Fix it pls :)

I sometimes wonder what FW would be like if people could achieve a rank and have an impact based on their rank. Being a mega supreme xyz would actually allow you to do something, including command others etc... as per a normal military.

Of course, with all the spy alts etc..., I am not sure how this could be implemented without leaving it open to mass infiltration by the opposing militia...

I won't list all the things that need attention, that information has been stated and distributed and spammed ad nauseum.

Please understand that my current and previous negative comments are directed at the company and it's direction/priorities not you.


I have truly resigned myself to believing you have abandoned this part of the game. Even if you prove me wrong CCP will need to go a long ways for me to not consider it too little too late.

At this point, while I do very much appreciate you at least posting in a thread on the topic (yes! it makes all the difference in the world!), I've moved on to "watching what you do vs what you say" as someone we all know would put it.

The lengths that FW has been neglected is inexcusable. As a person that renewed my interest in the game solely for the release of FW (all those years ago), I very much believed the promises that this part of the game would continue to receive attention and be fine tuned. You may not remember how talked up and promoted it was, but many of us do.

It might just be business to people within CCP for the company to shelve it for a later date (apparently a waaaaay later date. years later), the neglect is received as a very personal betrayal and slap in the face for those of us that invested so much of our own time into it. I don't say these things because I hate CCP or the game, I say them because I genuinely give a crap about the game and don't want to have to walk away.

Enough about the past, let's talk future:

Those that feel as I do may not be as numerous as other demographics in eve, but we are out there. I hope people in CCP seriously consider that current activity in FW may be attributed more to the neglect paid to it's mechanics and development by CCP as opposed to those interested in participating.

You're sitting on a gold mine of quick, easy pvp that can appeal to both new and old players alike without all the strings that are attached to say piracy, empire war decs or 0.0. All you need to do is give it attention.


I play other games now. My subscription is a matter of whatever time is left on what I already paid for and it's out of nostalgia and hope that I remain active on the boards. Again, I don't want to leave but as with any perceived abusive relationship, there is a point where you just have to get out. I know many of my FW friends already have.

If you fix FW, it will go a long way towards me and others actually wanting to play the game again (give you money). I'll never buy a monocle or pair of pants, but I may buy another subscription one day if given the motivation.

I hope you would be so kind as to relay these thoughts and emotions along the line.

I ******* lol'd

Well, just had a great roam with Amarr Militia - killed heaps for little lost - that is what FW is supposed to be about ppl!!!!

I may not be in FW but I tend to fight amarr FW a lot simply because of where I fly and I can tell you I wish that we had more players from your faction round here that actually gave a s*** about FW rather than just using it as a defensive cover+isk machine. I see loads of decent people posting on the forums but those that set up shop in low sec minmatar really don't give two hoots (in general, there are some cool people rarely).

I fight for minmatar militia even though i am not in FW simply because I can't join in without leaving my corp. I even go so far as to leaving minmatar militia alone unless they attack me. I can honestly say that the whole cloaky SB LP farmers are basically just taking the **** out of the whole FW thing. I've had to go to pretty extreme lengths to actually kill them in there SB's/Inty combo's and if they roll with T3's then I can't even touch them. Boredom sets in and you can have 8 of the little bastards running FW missions in perfect safety in a busy low sec system. I don't even get any satisfaction stopping them by just bouncing between missions anymore :(

Still..... it's very, very satisfying getting a kill on one of them heheh.

Over two years ago there was Dev who made a pretty damn good suggestion that would allow alliances to participate as full members of the militias: To be a member the alliance must forfeit all sovereignty.

It is so damn simple but has such impact that the mumbling about "why can't we join!?!" went away rather abruptly. With no fall-back plan or safe hidey hole/cash-cow it seems the support for it vanished.

Supers in low-sec (includes FW) is solved by making their immunity dependent on sovereignty, outside ones own they lose immunity.
Fits perfectly with supers supposedly being alliance assets and when combined with whatever nerf they are slated for , anything but proper super blobs would be very vulnerable to FW fleets