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CCP - Did you miss the fanfest round table for FW?

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Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2011-09-14 08:43:09 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Har Harrison wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Har Harrison wrote:
Ciar Meara wrote:
Somebody is clearly bumping the Faction Warfare thread, I approve.

Really? Who is that I wonder??? Roll



I just can't imagine who it could be.

You???



Not me. I would never gratuitously bump a thread in the forlorn hope that a dev might see it.

Glad to hear that. I too would like to confirm that I would never undertake such actions...

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#42 - 2011-09-14 13:39:44 UTC
What is this "bumping" you keep mentioning? Sounds like fun, some way to get in on it by any chance?

/toe-bump
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#43 - 2011-09-14 14:19:37 UTC
Its impossible that there is any bumping in these forums. Its not allowed.

I am posting to ask if anyone has heard from ccp on what the promised "make up" for the no show will be.

This does seem to be the appropriate thread, as the devs did tell us to stay tuned in this thread on the old boards. So I am not bumping this thread, not bumping at all. I'm just asking an appropriate question in the appropriate thread.

Has anyone heard?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#44 - 2011-09-14 15:40:41 UTC
He was supposed to make a reply when he got home from Russia several months ago. One can only assume that he has been arrested for espionage and/or lewd behaviour and therefore stuck in Russia indefinitely .. because the alternative is that CCP are lying through their teeth, making empty promises left and right in the hopes of making us go away - and that cannot be :ccpawesome:
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#45 - 2011-09-14 15:55:59 UTC
Hirana Yoshida wrote:
He was supposed to make a reply when he got home from Russia several months ago. One can only assume that he has been arrested for espionage and/or lewd behaviour and therefore stuck in Russia indefinitely .. because the alternative is that CCP are lying through their teeth, making empty promises left and right in the hopes of making us go away - and that cannot be :ccpawesome:


Perhaps we could club together and hire a lawyer to get him released?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
Infinite Pew
#46 - 2011-09-14 17:28:25 UTC
Consider this my bump..... maybe the FW threads keep surfacing over and over and over again till CCP shows some respect to those who have patiently awaited their answers.

I am glad this thread in particular was carried over to the new forums - because CCP's acknowledgement that they let the players down by no-call no-show to their own FW panel should be an impetus for taking the time to respond.

There are a lot of unresolved questions about new features, old features to fix, etc.

But this topic had its own fanfest panel. Fans and paying customers flew to iceland, some came all that way specifically for a chance to talk about a piece of New Eden they love. Failing to follow through with this meeting and than refusing (lack of time doesnt cut it anymore) to respond tot he FW community's questions goes above and beyond the norm in terms of lack of CCP response to community input.

I've asked many times, and I'll keep speaking out wherever there's an opportunity - one of the developers needs to step up to the plate and make amends with a sub-community of eve players who have been snubbed in the worst possible way, and on many occasions since than.

There is lots to talk about, yes, there is lot that can go into the winter expansion, yes. That doesnt HAVE to be FW, if faction warfare really does fall far down enough on the triage list to not make the cut.

But CCP owes the Faction Warfare community, who they stood up at an event people travelled thousands of miles to attend, a simple response about whether we are on their radar, what is being considered, and if or when we can expect some progress. This isn't about lack of time or resources - someone has a few hours in a day to handle this. This is a simply a matter of respect and making amends for a pretty egregious blunder.

You can always just say "we're sorry, its not happening' - that wouldn't even take a few hours. But it would be far more respectful than the painful, awkward, silence.

Thank you everyone for keeping this issue floating to the top. Lets keep it up till someone in CCP has the courage to speak to us.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2011-09-14 22:13:37 UTC
Next Fanfest, attending FW pilots should find a dev and orbit him endlessly until either he responds or we win occupancy of Iceland.
Trolls Troll
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2011-09-14 22:18:55 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
words.


What you fail to realise from this post, and others you've made, and probably over the last 3 months, is that CCP DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOUR CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. Why are they continuing to leave this thread untouched? You remind me of Denidil or whatever his name is, flames everyone for their whining posts, then makes his own thread full of niceties and l33t speek, and guess what? They didn't reply to him either.

Faction Warfare doesn't attract new players, you can't sell nex items for faction warfare, so why would CCP care about it?
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2011-09-14 23:39:23 UTC
Trolls Troll wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
words.


What you fail to realise from this post, and others you've made, and probably over the last 3 months, is that CCP DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOUR CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. Why are they continuing to leave this thread untouched? You remind me of Denidil or whatever his name is, flames everyone for their whining posts, then makes his own thread full of niceties and l33t speek, and guess what? They didn't reply to him either.

Faction Warfare doesn't attract new players, you can't sell nex items for faction warfare, so why would CCP care about it?
Actually it does, in the sense that when people join and have done the first few training arcs (and maybe the Sisters of Eve one too), some take up the offer to join the militia, get into PvP and stick around vs not having any idea what to do in Eve and quitting...

Trolls Troll
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2011-09-14 23:44:00 UTC
Har Harrison wrote:
Trolls Troll wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
words.


What you fail to realise from this post, and others you've made, and probably over the last 3 months, is that CCP DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOUR CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. Why are they continuing to leave this thread untouched? You remind me of Denidil or whatever his name is, flames everyone for their whining posts, then makes his own thread full of niceties and l33t speek, and guess what? They didn't reply to him either.

Faction Warfare doesn't attract new players, you can't sell nex items for faction warfare, so why would CCP care about it?
Actually it does, in the sense that when people join and have done the first few training arcs (and maybe the Sisters of Eve one too), some take up the offer to join the militia, get into PvP and stick around vs not having any idea what to do in Eve and quitting...



So then why are the currently ignoring it if it will attract new players?
Cunane Jeran
#51 - 2011-09-15 00:09:04 UTC
More Factional Warfare love please CCP, it's damn well needed, don't let it die on us.

More dynamic system controlling objectives
Small (but not overpowered) bonuses for controlling a system
A tone down of the mission income to get people in who enjoy a good scrap and not just loads of faceless alts, or even better make them group based.

There are a ton or so more great suggestions, feedback and criticisms that can be taken on board, listened to, thought about.

Lets hear them.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
Infinite Pew
#52 - 2011-09-15 00:47:18 UTC
Trolls Troll wrote:

Faction Warfare doesn't attract new players, you can't sell nex items for faction warfare, so why would CCP care about it?


Because CCP is a business. A business who's sales are slowing down. CCP has a vast network of resources between the CSM, the player base's own blogs and external media, and of course the forums, to have an analyst's wet dream of target market feedback and data.

They'd be utter fools to just let their product slowly stop selling, without utiilizing feedback and delivering a product that brings in new sales. Nothing wrong with telling them that people have stopped paying for the game because all Faction Warfare questions (questions mind you - not even content ) have been disrespectfully ignored for years. If your point was that CCP only cares about money, than THAT is why they should care about FW. Just like any other overdue content update.

If you have been paying attention to well....."words" on the forum I think its pretty clear that NeX isn't bringing in new players. So why would CCP care about it right now? They need the ISK. We're telling em how to get it. Outfits isn't it.

But I guess that's besides the point - you're absolutely right, CCP may not care about Faction Warfare. Hence, the main point of my ..."words".

If CCP doesn't care about FW, all they have to do is say so. That's all I'm asking for, and will keep asking for. I think its a pretty reasonable request.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Trolls Troll
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2011-09-16 10:58:43 UTC
bumo
CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#54 - 2011-09-16 11:05:37 UTC
Trolls Troll wrote:
bumo


Some comments from CCP Guard are in this post.

CCP Spitfire | Marketing & Sales Team @ccp_spitfire

Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2011-09-16 11:11:04 UTC
CCP Spitfire wrote:
Trolls Troll wrote:
bumo


Some comments from CCP Guard are in this post.

OMG OMG OMG - after MONTHS of asking, a dev finally posted in this thread... Now, we just need the info on FW vs a link to CCP Guard's post that they are still working on the details and the FW community might start to be a little happierCool

Xuse Senna
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#56 - 2011-09-16 11:41:41 UTC
I Support this thread, I have an Alt in FW ^_^

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7501/mindgamesceptionfinaldr.jpg

CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#57 - 2011-09-16 11:44:53 UTC
Har Harrison wrote:

OMG OMG OMG - after MONTHS of asking, a dev finally posted in this thread... Now, we just need the info on FW vs a link to CCP Guard's post that they are still working on the details and the FW community might start to be a little happierCool


Some more updates from CCP Manifest. Still not the solid information everyone is craving, but it should give some insight into the process, at the very least.

CCP Spitfire | Marketing & Sales Team @ccp_spitfire

Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2011-09-16 11:54:35 UTC
CCP Spitfire wrote:
Har Harrison wrote:

OMG OMG OMG - after MONTHS of asking, a dev finally posted in this thread... Now, we just need the info on FW vs a link to CCP Guard's post that they are still working on the details and the FW community might start to be a little happierCool


Some more updates from CCP Manifest. Still not the solid information everyone is craving, but it should give some insight into the process, at the very least.

Well, I will be the first to acknowledge the responses, but I will also say that I hope the FW will continue to make their feelings known and make noise as we do want the attention given to FW that it deserves.

Bring on the results of the planning sessions so we know if we should be justly upset or happy...

CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#59 - 2011-09-16 12:00:49 UTC
Har Harrison wrote:


Well, I will be the first to acknowledge the responses, but I will also say that I hope the FW will continue to make their feelings known and make noise as we do want the attention given to FW that it deserves.

Bring on the results of the planning sessions so we know if we should be justly upset or happy...


A fair and very valid point. All I would personally ask is to keep the feedback in a civil and constructive vein.

CCP Spitfire | Marketing & Sales Team @ccp_spitfire

Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2011-09-16 12:05:35 UTC
CCP Spitfire wrote:
Har Harrison wrote:


Well, I will be the first to acknowledge the responses, but I will also say that I hope the FW will continue to make their feelings known and make noise as we do want the attention given to FW that it deserves.

Bring on the results of the planning sessions so we know if we should be justly upset or happy...


A fair and very valid point. All I would personally ask is to keep the feedback in a civil and constructive vein.

Would it be too much to ask that FW can have input in the same way that Soundwave has asked for input into 0.0???