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[November] New Sunesis destroyer

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Luscius Uta
#61 - 2016-09-16 18:28:20 UTC
It is obvious that you want to keep a distinct naming pattern for SoCT ships, but does the name "Sunesis" mean anything? I think that "Genesis" would be a way cooler name.

Workarounds are not bugfixes.
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#62 - 2016-09-16 18:58:22 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Fozzie
Luscius Uta wrote:
It is obvious that you want to keep a distinct naming pattern for SoCT ships, but does the name "Sunesis" mean anything? I think that "Genesis" would be a way cooler name.


The name was chosen carefully :)

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Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#63 - 2016-09-16 19:29:28 UTC
Altrue wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:

Like its big brother the Gnosis, the Sunesis is a celebration gift given by CCP to our players at certain important points in EVE history.


Doesn't that bother you by the way? The EVE economy is almost entierly player-driven with player-made stuff. Injecting ships out of nowhere is fine when they have a way to be usefull without filling too much of a niche, like the Gnosis.

But here, you have a destroyer that's clearly more unique in its stats (especially its ability to tank, but also it's ability to probe which is completely new for a destroyer)... It fills a niche, and this niche is entierly made of CCP-spawned items.

I just find that weird for a sandbox. It's not the end of the world or anything, but it feels out of place.


1 - Since this is not a regular occurrence, it does not break anything. The numbers will always be limited to a certain amount (the number of active accounts at the time of the dispersal).
2 - Since the gnosis has been given out freely before, people speculating on it kinda are foolish since it can be given out freely again.
3 - Given that Players are not the only entities in EVE, it makes sense for them to occasionally reward and placate us with gifts. Just be glad the gift is not based on security status... though, that would be an interesting twist at some point.

4 - the personal reason: I love my Gnosis and actually fly them and lose them. I would hate to have to pay hundreds of millions of isk for the ship in the future so CCP injecting them now and again is fine with me. Better would be for them to simply elevate SoCT into a proper mission giving group and add the Gnosis and Sunesis as full fledged ships you can obtain for LP.

Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.

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Cade Windstalker
#64 - 2016-09-16 19:29:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Cade Windstalker
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Luscius Uta wrote:
It is obvious that you want to keep a distinct naming pattern for SoCT ships, but does the name "Sunesis" mean anything? I think that "Genesis" would be a way cooler name.


The name was chosen carefully :)


I always love where you guys pull these names from. Mythology and ancient cultures FTW!

Even if it does mean that my Cov Ops ship (as I named it) now shares a name with the Gallente T3D hull Pirate
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#65 - 2016-09-16 19:32:10 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Luscius Uta wrote:
It is obvious that you want to keep a distinct naming pattern for SoCT ships, but does the name "Sunesis" mean anything? I think that "Genesis" would be a way cooler name.


The name was chosen carefully :)



So... Bring together? Blink

Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.

Support better localization for the Japanese Community.
Blavish
Therapy.
Brave Collective
#66 - 2016-09-17 08:57:07 UTC
Pls give bigger drone bandwidthUgh
GeeShizzle MacCloud
#67 - 2016-09-17 14:14:12 UTC
Quote:
37.5% bonus to Core and Combat Scanner Probe strength
...
Slot layout: 4H, 4M, 4L; 3 turrets, 3 launchers
Fittings: 63 PWG, 175 CPU


heh, really? you may as well drop the addition of combat scanner probe strength bonus if you're not adding a bonus to reduce CPU on probe launchers. theres no reason to have it on if all you can do is warp to a player and die cause u cant fit anything else on your ship.
Norn Thilnir
Naragnir
#68 - 2016-09-17 14:22:08 UTC
Lol

I am all in favour of rewarding loyal customers with a fancy unique ship once in a while.

Funny fact: my account expired the 8th of this month. Busy with work I only checked up on EVE today. Whoops, missed the reward. \o/ /o\
Mustike Oschtschocha
Summer of Mumuit
Remember Mumuit
#69 - 2016-09-17 15:47:33 UTC
Some suggestions:

-> Increase bandwith to 25 mbit and bay to 50
-> increase speed to about 250
-> reduce intertia, that ship has the same algin time as a ceptor

-> would it also be possibile to make a small balance pass to the gnosis? This ship is fairly slow and algins faster than most frigs(give it about 150 speed and increse algin time to 8 sec, like most other BC's), also increasing the dps bonus to 50%(like all the other BC's would be great)

just my 2 cents, but it is a nice ship
RainReaper
RRN Industries
#70 - 2016-09-17 16:06:40 UTC  |  Edited by: RainReaper
Soooo what happens if your subscription accidentaly runs out for 1-2 hours and then gets reneved? Is any chance of you geting the gifts then? Or is any chance of geting them lost?
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#71 - 2016-09-19 22:11:45 UTC
Mustike Oschtschocha wrote:
Some suggestions:

-> Increase bandwith to 25 mbit and bay to 50
-> increase speed to about 250
-> reduce intertia, that ship has the same algin time as a ceptor

-> would it also be possibile to make a small balance pass to the gnosis? This ship is fairly slow and algins faster than most frigs(give it about 150 speed and increse algin time to 8 sec, like most other BC's), also increasing the dps bonus to 50%(like all the other BC's would be great)

just my 2 cents, but it is a nice ship


I do hate to repeat myself every time a new ship enters New Eden. You do know that you have to apply your bookshelf to any boat that enters New Eden, do you?

The stats listed here are that stats on the boat with 0 skillpoints.

Now apply your skillpoints in navigation, engineering, shields, armor, hull, drones and guns to it and it will look a little different.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

Aura sound-clips: Aura forever
Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2016-09-20 11:41:10 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Luscius Uta wrote:
It is obvious that you want to keep a distinct naming pattern for SoCT ships, but does the name "Sunesis" mean anything? I think that "Genesis" would be a way cooler name.


The name was chosen carefully :)


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Also how do we pronounce this new ship name?
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#73 - 2016-09-20 13:49:43 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Luscius Uta wrote:
It is obvious that you want to keep a distinct naming pattern for SoCT ships, but does the name "Sunesis" mean anything? I think that "Genesis" would be a way cooler name.


The name was chosen carefully :)


Carefully? Very interesting. The genitive case is typically used to show possession or some sort of relationship to something else.

Regardless of any hidden meaning (which imo would be counter to the actual word), it matches Gnosis very well.

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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#74 - 2016-09-20 18:12:42 UTC
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:
Quote:
37.5% bonus to Core and Combat Scanner Probe strength
...
Slot layout: 4H, 4M, 4L; 3 turrets, 3 launchers
Fittings: 63 PWG, 175 CPU


heh, really? you may as well drop the addition of combat scanner probe strength bonus if you're not adding a bonus to reduce CPU on probe launchers. theres no reason to have it on if all you can do is warp to a player and die cause u cant fit anything else on your ship.


This is a valid concern.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#75 - 2016-09-21 15:25:33 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:
Quote:
37.5% bonus to Core and Combat Scanner Probe strength
...
Slot layout: 4H, 4M, 4L; 3 turrets, 3 launchers
Fittings: 63 PWG, 175 CPU


heh, really? you may as well drop the addition of combat scanner probe strength bonus if you're not adding a bonus to reduce CPU on probe launchers. theres no reason to have it on if all you can do is warp to a player and die cause u cant fit anything else on your ship.


This is a valid concern.


We expect that the bonus will primarily be used for core probe launchers. However bonuses to one tend to apply to both and we don't see the need to make an exception for this case. The Astero is in a similar situation and that worked out fine.

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Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
#76 - 2016-09-21 16:29:16 UTC
Slot layout is closer to a frigate than a destroyer lol

Casual Incursion runner & Faction Warfare grunt, ex-Wormholer, ex-Nullbear.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#77 - 2016-09-21 17:28:49 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
FT Diomedes wrote:
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:
Quote:
37.5% bonus to Core and Combat Scanner Probe strength
...
Slot layout: 4H, 4M, 4L; 3 turrets, 3 launchers
Fittings: 63 PWG, 175 CPU


heh, really? you may as well drop the addition of combat scanner probe strength bonus if you're not adding a bonus to reduce CPU on probe launchers. theres no reason to have it on if all you can do is warp to a player and die cause u cant fit anything else on your ship.


This is a valid concern.


We expect that the bonus will primarily be used for core probe launchers. However bonuses to one tend to apply to both and we don't see the need to make an exception for this case. The Astero is in a similar situation and that worked out fine.


Thank you for the reply. I agree that the Astero is a fine ship for core probe launchers. I appreciate the expectation management for the Sunesis.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Oxigun
Halliburton Heavy Industries
#78 - 2016-09-21 17:35:48 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Luscius Uta wrote:
It is obvious that you want to keep a distinct naming pattern for SoCT ships, but does the name "Sunesis" mean anything? I think that "Genesis" would be a way cooler name.


The name was chosen carefully :)


The name may have been chosen carefully but the spelling translation is not correct.

The correct phonetic pronunciation of συνεσις in the English language is Synesis as the web page you linked correctly identifies.

Your chosen name pronunciation is soonesis...
Mr Grape Drink
Doomheim
#79 - 2016-09-21 19:23:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Grape Drink
Oxigun wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Luscius Uta wrote:
It is obvious that you want to keep a distinct naming pattern for SoCT ships, but does the name "Sunesis" mean anything? I think that "Genesis" would be a way cooler name.


The name was chosen carefully :)


The name may have been chosen carefully but the spelling translation is not correct.

The correct phonetic pronunciation of συνεσις in the English language is Synesis as the web page you linked correctly identifies.

Your chosen name pronunciation is soonesis...



Transliteration of the word is in fact Sunesis, which is how they should spell it
Cristl
#80 - 2016-09-22 00:56:52 UTC
Transliteration is usually taken to be sunesis (first syllable rhyming with 'uni') for the meaning knowledge, consciousness etc., for example in biblical exegesis. Synesis is used for the grammatical sense.