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[November] New Sunesis destroyer

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#41 - 2016-09-16 00:31:55 UTC
Regan Rotineque wrote:


I agree with this ro some extent.

I would prefer that ccp give a bpc not a fully built ship. Then people would have to access the sandbox to build their gift.

That being said I do support ccp being able to reward players and thank them for trying to come up with new and creative ways to show subscribers appreciation.

From memory to build the Gnosis is 1 Trit.
This keeps it's insurance payout to about 5 isk for platinum meaning that it injects no isk into the economy for blowing up free ships.
Regan Rotineque
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2016-09-16 01:18:49 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Regan Rotineque wrote:


I agree with this ro some extent.

I would prefer that ccp give a bpc not a fully built ship. Then people would have to access the sandbox to build their gift.

That being said I do support ccp being able to reward players and thank them for trying to come up with new and creative ways to show subscribers appreciation.

From memory to build the Gnosis is 1 Trit.
This keeps it's insurance payout to about 5 isk for platinum meaning that it injects no isk into the economy for blowing up free ships.



ahh yes i had forgotten, been so long since i had the 5 bpc run.

as long as they give 1isk value ships then its not really a huge issue, though I still like the idea of bpc's to encourage people to get involved in some industry, and as a boost to miners. Imagine all the mineral sales if they handed out true bpc's and then the ships would have value for insurance.

Just a thought, but as I said I appreciate what ccp is trying to do.
Circumstantial Evidence
#43 - 2016-09-16 02:01:01 UTC
Regan Rotineque wrote:
... I still like the idea of bpc's to encourage people to get involved in some industry, and as a boost to miners. .... I appreciate what ccp is trying to do.
I agree with you, in principle; I just want to point out the recent Citadel expansion. 1 free ship BPC would probably buff industry .0001% in comparison to the huge number of new capital modules which were introduced: on the 1 to 10 scale, I think they dialed it to 11.
Fizzie Nova
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2016-09-16 02:06:10 UTC
Fozzie,

When are we going to get a Covert Ops Battlcruiser....
Blinky Jimmy
Drop the Soap
NullSechnaya Sholupen
#45 - 2016-09-16 02:17:12 UTC
Fizzie Nova wrote:
Fozzie,

When are we going to get a Covert Ops Battlcruiser....

#MakeNestorsGreatAgain
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#46 - 2016-09-16 02:20:54 UTC
Blinky Jimmy wrote:
Fizzie Nova wrote:
Fozzie,

When are we going to get a Covert Ops Battlcruiser....

#MakeNestorsGreatAgain

fypBlink
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#47 - 2016-09-16 04:56:03 UTC
Arcturus Ursidae wrote:

Alphas are racially locked so are restricted by their races ship drone bandwidth limits anyway. Allowing drones 5, medium drone 2 at least makes no difference to many of the ships they can fly.

Probably feedback for the other thread.


Excellent point, I wish we had an alpha states feedback thread already :(

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Luscius Uta
#48 - 2016-09-16 07:58:08 UTC
Obil Que wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Cargo capacity: 600


Excellent. I can put my packaged Apotheosis inside my Sunesis!



Now if only you could put your packaged Sunesis inside your Gnosis!

Workarounds are not bugfixes.

erg cz
Black Eagle5
Villore Accords
#49 - 2016-09-16 08:12:47 UTC
Cearain wrote:
The racial imbalance from the gnosis is carried over to this ship as well but to a lesser extent.

Assuming one tech 2 dda caldari and minmatar alphas will get about 55 dps from the 3 fed navy hobgoblins they can use. Gallente and amarr will get about 108 dps from the 4 fed navy hobgoblins they can use.

Perhaps gallente amarr drone skills should be toned down or the missile and projectile gun damage should get a boost on this and the gnosis. Though the latter tweak may unbalance the gnosis and this ship for omegas.



You would risk 30-40 mio ship with alpha clone? Remember - unlike Gnosis, that ship will be unique, no aniversary BPC, regular gifts etc...
With current stats it will be too weak and too expensive for the combat, so it would be surely my new salvaging boat instead of catalist ;) High sec usage only. With 4 hard points and 4 drones it will be way too weak even with 4 mids and 4 lows. If it would cost 2-5 milions it could be used in combat but I do not expect the price to settle that low...
Yahagi Sato
Monster Magnets
#50 - 2016-09-16 09:34:42 UTC
I think it will be easy to fit Sunesis to warpout below 2s, add 600m3 cargo bay and 4 mids.

P.S. I don't like drone skills imbalance between Amarr/Gallente and Caldari/Minmatar too.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#51 - 2016-09-16 10:53:39 UTC
erg cz wrote:



You would risk 30-40 mio ship with alpha clone? Remember - unlike Gnosis, that ship will be unique, no anniversary BPC, regular gifts etc....

Says who.... I don't see CCP saying that this is an exclusive offer now and will never be released again. It's just the current gift and may be a future gift.
Also people risk 30-40 mil ships in PvP all the time, why wouldn't they, it's chump change to anyone who has an account feeding isk to the PvP account. And even for an alpha clone you make that isk in short order.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#52 - 2016-09-16 11:46:49 UTC
I love this! I've waited for so long to see a true exploration-destroyer showing up. Sure, I'd like to have one as a regular ship instead of a one-time gift, but I'll take it.

I'm hoping a lot of people are stupid enough to flood the markets with the Sunesis, because if this happens, I'll stock up with enough of them to last the rest of my biological life, even if I lose one every week.
Rin Aiko
CVT IND
#53 - 2016-09-16 12:53:04 UTC
Nice one CCP. Looks like an indirect bone to alphas.

I see what you did there. 😉😎
Soltys
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2016-09-16 14:05:01 UTC
Quote:
Since it has very low skill requirements, any capsuleer can pilot it. It serves well in research and exploration but truly comes into its own in combat, with extremely fast align time.


Considering what jackdaw/hecate/astero can do with align times (all <1s with proper setups), with both of mentioned destroyers being - sorry but - flat out stupid, not sure if it qualifies as "extremely fast align time" =)

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Jonn Duune
Biomass Party
Ronins
#55 - 2016-09-16 14:38:34 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Blinky Jimmy wrote:
Fizzie Nova wrote:
Fozzie,

When are we going to get a Covert Ops Battlcruiser....

#MakeNestorsGreatAgain

fypBlink



Nestors are actually pretty good, they just require a good sense of how to use them. You wouldn't use a cheese grater to hammer in a nail now, would you? (at least I hope not, but i'm sure some goons would)

My name is Jonn Duune, and I wholeheartedly support the message posted above.

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
It Burns When I'm PvPing
#56 - 2016-09-16 14:40:55 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Cearain wrote:
The racial imbalance from the gnosis is carried over to this ship as well but to a lesser extent.

Assuming one tech 2 dda caldari and minmatar alphas will get about 55 dps from the 3 fed navy hobgoblins they can use. Gallente and amarr will get about 108 dps from the 4 fed navy hobgoblins they can use.

Perhaps gallente amarr drone skills should be toned down or the missile and projectile gun damage should get a boost on this and the gnosis. Though the latter tweak may unbalance the gnosis and this ship for omegas.



You would risk 30-40 mio ship with alpha clone? ..


I don't think the decision will be obvious at all.

With the 1 billion isk you save for not having to plex your account you can buy 28 of these at 35 mill. Assuming they cost that much (because ccp is saying they will give these away at special occassions so I don't think they will cost nearly as much as gnosis.) Or you can spend that billion isk on a plex to be able to fly it with slightly better skills and t2 guns and drones.

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Gerald Mardiska
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2016-09-16 15:06:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Gerald Mardiska
honestly.....SoCT ships never really interested me. im happy to see that there are new ships coming to the game i was just hoping for something a little more...skill intensive. however dont get me wrong the new destroyer is beautiful and all.
Kenbones Valkyrie
Seventeenth Battalion
Honorable Third Party
#58 - 2016-09-16 15:19:52 UTC
Cargo space is too big. 600 is the same size as a Dominix.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#59 - 2016-09-16 15:41:00 UTC
lol i love what they are doing to keep ppl from mass unsubbing do to the alphas like they did with the dailies
Lugh Crow-Slave
#60 - 2016-09-16 15:45:22 UTC
hey Fozzie i see you gave it a bonus to probe streanth but no reduction to cpu will this thing even be able to viably fit an expanded launcher?