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[November] Rorqual Astrahus citadel docking fix

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2016-09-20 15:35:47 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Fozzie
Hey folks. We've got a bug fix in the pipeline that I think is especially important to draw your attention to ahead of time.

At the moment Rorquals can dock in Astrahus medium citadels, which is a bug. They actually even use the frigate undock port.

The intended design is that Rorquals should have the same docking access as normal sized capital ships like the carrier, dread and force aux classes. We're fixing this bug at some point in the future which means that Rorquals will no longer be able to dock in Astrahus citadels.

Even though this is a fairly simple bug fix, I wanted to create a sticky thread just to make sure that there was some visibility for it ahead of the normal patch notes. I'd like to avoid people getting surprised by this fix as much as possible.

We're working on the dev blog for the big Rorqual changes coming in November, and that will be ready for everyone soon.
Thanks!

:Edit: Updated the post to indicate that we're delaying this particular fix until after the October release.
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey folks. We hear your concerns, and a good point has been raised by some that it's especially awkward to fix this bug a month before the actual Rorqual changes hit.

Although we can't leave this bug in place long-term (it's not within my power to leave the docking access as it is long-term since Astrahus citadels don't have the correct docking port for a Rorqual-sized ship), after some discussion internally we can delay the bug fix until at least November so that it doesn't hit before the Rorqual revamp. There are a number of changes in the pipeline that should help address some of the concerns here, although they're not at a stage where I'm able to provide exact release dates.

One change we are working towards is the ability to place items into your personal hangar in an Upwell structure from outside of that structure (within docking range). I'm not going to lie and tell you that we know exactly when that feature will be done, but it is on our roadmap.

In the meantime TL:DR is that we're delaying this fix for now, at least until November.

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Yroc Jannseen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2016-09-20 15:52:01 UTC
As the honorable representative from the great organization of GSOL, we are completely opposed to this change with every ounce of our being.

Save the Whales.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-09-20 15:52:38 UTC
I assume Freighters and Jump Freighters will still enjoy the ability to dock in an Astrahus?

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Viserion Pavarius
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2016-09-20 15:53:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Viserion Pavarius
Hey guys,

I have that aresome idea of making an already soon to be useless ship even more useless!


inb4 ISD snipe
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#5 - 2016-09-20 15:53:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
Freighters?

I don't understand why you would do this. Astrahus is often used as a mining platform and the Rorqual is going to struggle enough as it is if you insist on making them immobile while boosting.

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Whale Sex
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2016-09-20 15:53:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Whale Sex
Yroc Jannseen wrote:
As the honorable representative from the great organization of GSOL, we are completely opposed to this change with every ounce of our being.

Save the Whales.


Please Save ME!!
Mierin Arthie
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2016-09-20 15:55:22 UTC
Any reason behind the decision to not allow Rorquals to dock in Astrahus when Freighters and Jump Freighters can?
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#8 - 2016-09-20 15:55:26 UTC
Freighter and JF docking access remains unchanged, they have always been intended to be dockable in Astrahus citadels.

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Denngarr B'tarn
Bitter Creek Testing Industrial SA
#9 - 2016-09-20 15:57:39 UTC
Jump Freighters, Freighters, Orcas... what about these?
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2016-09-20 15:57:52 UTC
Considering the rorqual's primary ability to haul ore, not to mention its (assumed) direct mining role coming with the rebalance, denying the rorqual the ability to dock in an Astrahus is, frankly, absurd.

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Jay Amazingness
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2016-09-20 15:58:09 UTC
thank you for fixing this game breaking bug

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Kelmantis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-09-20 15:58:09 UTC
I guess you only noticed this now, rather than it being a design decision that has been reversed?
Awkward Pi Duolus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2016-09-20 15:58:12 UTC
Mierin Arthie wrote:
Any reason behind the decision to not allow Rorquals to dock in Astrahus when Freighters and Jump Freighters can?


Because one of those is not like the other two, duh?
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#14 - 2016-09-20 16:01:49 UTC
Awkward Pi Duolus wrote:
Mierin Arthie wrote:
Any reason behind the decision to not allow Rorquals to dock in Astrahus when Freighters and Jump Freighters can?


Because one of those is not like the other two, duh?

Uh, all three are capital ships.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#15 - 2016-09-20 16:02:15 UTC
Denngarr B'tarn wrote:
Jump Freighters, Freighters, Orcas... what about these?


Orcas are Large hulls, not XL—they're battleship-sized—so it's highly unlikely they'll make them unable to dock where every other subcap can.

That said, this really is a silly change. It may have been a bug, but it's a bug that made sense. Industrial ships aren't as survivable as combat ships. Why not give them a break?
GOB the Magician
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2016-09-20 16:02:52 UTC
Do you guys actively sit around thinking about ways to get less people out into space?
Traumatica
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2016-09-20 16:03:17 UTC
You really can't help yourself, can you Fozzie?
Yroc Jannseen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2016-09-20 16:04:16 UTC
Querns wrote:
Considering the rorqual's primary ability to haul ore, not to mention its (assumed) direct mining role coming with the rebalance, denying the rorqual the ability to dock in an Astrahus is, frankly, absurd.


I guess the follow on to this is, will the Rorqual be able to dock at medium sized Mining Platforms, which presumably will be bonused for refining?
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#19 - 2016-09-20 16:05:04 UTC
Perhaps leave them alone until you release the Mining Platform.

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Mapster Tacitus
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2016-09-20 16:05:34 UTC
Call this Bug a Feature and everything is fine.

#SaveTheWhales
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