Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Dude.
In real life it's easy.
People can't log off!

Your analogy is invalid!

Just here to point out it work bothways tho: targets don't logoff as soon as a WT comes online either. So there's that I suppose.

Not worried about it all.

That people who think you need to use you mains to make your words mean anything is the reason I rub their face it in and refuse to post with my main char, and I'm not the only one by far.

I just find it funny when you start seeing all the nested replies from the same few posters starting to say each others' point of view is invalid due to something about their in game characters.

Kind of like when one starts losing an argument they start talking about someone's mother, or on these forums, how bad they and everyone they fly are at internets Pvp.

I actually find it kind of funny when someone demands that I post with my main. Shows how intellectually weak they truly are.

Actually its not.

RL hunters can go a long time sometimes several seasons to find game they are looking for. It takes a lot of practice and preparation during and outside the seasons.

Sometimes where you find game the week before the season started, your game can decide to completely move out of your area and essentially disappear the first day of the season.

Now granted no RL and in-game analogy will ever be 100% the same but knowing when someone logs into and leaves the game along with being able to track what systems they are in via locating agents was PvP on training wheels.

Now you need to actually undock and personally fly to different systems to see if any of your targets are around. Now information isn't spoon fed to you, you actually need to interact in game beyond sitting in station to find your targets. You know, actually play the game....

I realize those who where used to PvP on easy mode in Hi Sec are annoyed about this, but sometimes you actually need to work for your intel and not have it dropped all nice and neat in your lap.

Ironically 3/4 of the RL hunters I know use the "Jita" method of hunting. They sit in a shack 50 yards from a corn feeder and wait for deer to come by looking for a snack.

Don't even get me started on cameras mounted on trees. (they're like scout alts lol)

High sec, low sec, w-space, 0.0. The goal of this change, like virtually every other change made during the last 10 years is to make combat less likely to occur and to make eve a more safe place. I can't even tell if my targets still play the damn deserted game anymore.

The lesson of eve was supposed to be that there is no "safe", ever.

What it boils down to is that old style buddy list in combination to locating agents made it super easy to track people down for what ever purposes.

Players got used to that crutch and many established play styles that are now invalidated since that crutch has been removed.

You are right this is a game and what we have is not ideal, but it is far better than what it was and CCP will most likely, after some time has passed, will revisit the issue and may come up with something more balanced and in-between than what was then and what we have now.

You are right, I am biased, as all of us are to some degree. I never relied on those two mechanics for my dominate play styles over the years. I went from Hi Sec mission runner to Null Sec renter, to Low Sec pirate, back to Null Sec for a very short time then have mainly been a Low Sec pirate for the last 6 years, with some Hi Sec ganking here and there.

As with anything is this game, the current situation is temporary, and some time in the future there may be a mechanic that will replace the severely flawed one that existed before.

I only suggest you recognize the flawed nature of the original, develop some new gameplay or take a break, an maybe help develop a new system by posting something in Features and Ideas. Maybe I'll even post my feedback, on one of my Forum alts.

As a hunter, let me just say...that isn't hunting

Hypothetically, you could choose to wardec corps you know something about, had some some scouting and research on and had a reason to dec other than farming.