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This isn't a gateway to pay2win. This is exactly pay2win out the gate. Free players are nothing but fodder with the SP limits they have set.

-Liang

gateway? the ppl that pay have a huge adv over those that are not it is just flat p2w once this goes live

I understand the faction restriction was put into place so players couldn't reach high SP on a non-paying account.

But for the sake of newbie corps, give us something for flexibility.

Some suggestions:

1. Let them train frigates and cruisers up to level 4, but for all factions.

2. Let them train off-faction t1 frigates and cruisers up to level 3

3. New alpha states start with a skill template that lets them fly all t1 frigates, cruisers and their modules at level 3, but locks further training to their faction.

At first glance at the allowed skill list the proposed system seem to be pretty bad case of "pay to win" that these supposedly "free" characters do not have access to T2 guns meaning they will be just a content for paying customers. That is a pretty crappy way of doing "free to play". Either do free to play so that the free dudes are competitive with paying customers at minimum in T1 frigates/dessies or do not do it. As proposed currently it will taste like poop to anyone giving it a try thinking this game has a viable free to play possibility.

Second questionable faucet is locking the skill set according to the race the person picked when creating the character. EVE has always been about being able to correct the choices done - for a start doing it like that will send a totally wrong message to the newbies. The second issue is the racial variation of pirate populations. It is indeed a crappy day if one has to go and take on Angels in an Amarr ship. Why this is an issue - because if the newbie joins an null null entity living, for example, in Pure Blind he will soon find that doing anything pve related in that region in his T1 frigate/dessy/cruiser (without T2 guns) can be alot harder than it should because he picked the wrong starter race!

I would say it might make more sense to set the skill cap so that the free dudes are, at minimum, effective with a frigate, i.e., at minimum allow the T2 guns at lev 4, if these are trained. Set saefty on for aplha clones in hi sec for obvious reasons. Cruisers .. mm .. I'm not so sure about. IF you decide to allow T1 cruisers same approach should be taken, sure knock off the last levels from the skill but allow relevant skills at L4 including T2 ones. Otherwise EVE will get just "pay to win" tag in the internet and that will not help you to lure in the new people you are looking for. It would keep it simpler if there would be only one "alpha" list with all racial ships in it so that the player is free to choose whatever race he desires without being penalized for the decision he made at the start without knowing basically anything about the game or where will he end up in the EVE universe a month down the road.

Far as I can tell alphas if they max out what they can legit train (Advanced Weapon Upgrades 1 can be trained while Weapon Upgrades can only get to 4 :/ ) is about 4300112 SP so provided you can't extract skills you know by default (not checked if you can) then I don't see an issue with sp farming any more than it is now as I don't see it been cost effective.

I will say infomorph psychology needed to be included into the skills or some way to jump out of blingy pod what will be useless as soon as enter a alpha state since skills will disable them.

Other than that aside from alphas only be able to turn safeties to yellow, as it's not even a question on if it will be exploited it's a matter of how many. Should be interesting how many alphas will roam about in faction ships with poor skills :3

you can form a squad with 10 pilots w/o the skill you just can't relay boosts but relaying boosts will no longer be a thing so leader ship just adds range to your boosts

so he is right no reason to train it as the only t1 ship that can make use of it is a BC and they can't train past cruiser

this is bad because f2p has never left an MMOs soul intact and P2W (what this idea actually is) is probably the most revolting practice any company can push

they had to come up with something cause the numbers dont lie!

eve is dying and not many active players are logging in.. no matter the "events" they tried AND FAILED at..
no matter rise's pretty charts and pies... this game is dying

so why not just go Free to Play all the way.. i mean for the sake of risk why not just take the gamble?

oh thats right cause somewhere, someone will whine about it not being hard enough or elite enough.

they already ruined the game so might as well burn it to the freaking ground.

You can't make an EVE-like game F2P without it being some flavor of P2W.

Anything passive and significant is a no-go, just asking to get farmed. Passive for a casual = active and massively parallel for someone more serious. Just ask the guy who ran 300 skill farming alts.

This game is a complex EVE-like browser game. Trying to explain it in a few words is a lot like trying to explain EVE in a few words. It has some design lessons which are very applicable to this topic.

The recall program needs to be brought back when this goes live, just saying