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Read the list in the devblog, will you. Or better, use the browser search and put in "cyno"
You're welcome.
Sheesh.

The only way is that these 30-40 accounts would have to first be subscribed and then reactivated every time you want to use them to cyno. In that case, so what?

i'm not entirely sure what's wrong with that. Having two parallel subscription models isn't a bad thing. If someone wants to play fremium where they pay for the game they want and choose to play the 'small' eve universe for free, I can't fault them for buying SKINS, or maybe paying a little extra $$ to unlock a specific part of the game like a ship class, or maybe T2 modules. And then paying a little extra $$ to buy plex for skill injectors to train instantly instead of over time. Considering that you already pay $100 or more every year on this game, whats crazy about someone paying $80 for a hacked down version of the game?

Might just be me but this sounds hilarious. Btw any group that does this will get it repaid in turn. There are several alliances now capable of pulling very high numbers. I doubt they'd even ninja about pretending it isn't them, they'll be chestbeating and falling all over the forums smugging in no time. If it became seriously exploited CCP can always smack the alliance leaders with a temp ban to curb the practice. But for all you know it might end up being a content generator rather than a griefing tool. Although it does seem like a workaround to the fatigue changes that would allow armies to be stationed in multiple spots, which is probably a legit concern.


To be fair tho Jenn, most of the complainers who tried to block these changes were hardcore forumites playing Skill Queue Online themselves, who had set themselves up as rabid gatekeepers on a range of topics and simply couldn't handle being contradicted by CCP. The sky has not fallen because tradable SP was introduced. Even the people who yelled the loudest over the Isabotter ban are still around. Phoebe was probably mistimed and should have been introduced in conjunction with the cap changes so that people didn't mass unsub their cap alts in the interim, granted. Hindsight is always clearer - but in reality a lot of us did support the change at the time to try shake things up - and it worked for areas like lowsec and WH space.

The complaint that I don't get here is the 'oh god we're going to be overrun by kiddies and gold sellers and bots.' Uhm, this isn't the type of game that is likely to attract or retain kiddies. They'll be a nuisance at best - and we could request the ability to block Alphas entirely from ingame chat if we personally find them so annoying. 5+ years ago Jita was overflowing with temp gold sellers - and they have dwindled partly because they struggle to compete with Plex prices, and partly because CCP gave us an insta report block button that appears to be acted upon super fast. It's true if that behaviour is evident CCP may need to hire more GMs, but that would be the result of a massive influx of completely new players.

From comments I've seen in the past the vast majority of new subs actually come from the existing pool of unsubbed players, of which there are millions. If anything, unless there's a dramatic marketing strategy that actually works to pull in completely fresh players, chances are the majority of Alphas will be returning players. How is this a bad thing?

most of the devblogs i have posted on i have been quite negative

usually i think the proposals are quite crazy, See fozziesov and jump fatigue

but i think alsong as this is implemented correctly with some restrictions it should be ok

i would say change the trial system so that 1 alpha account can be used with other omega accounts logged in (us bitter vets like our unknown alts) would really like cynosural field generator skill but fully understand the reasons why that won't be included and support them


would like to see in highsec the alpha clones be restricted to amber safety level, so this would not allow for a massive increase in ganking. and require new players to venture into lowsec/nullsec for pvp (just a thought)

not sure about limiting it to specific races as new players would not know which race they would like so might be best to leave it available to try out all the different ships and weapon systems.

i don't see this as a change to eve in terms of the main mechanics, its still internet spaceships.

just don't want to see specialised blueprints that are purchased for real life money, entering the game and providing a big advantage to real life wallet warriors.

o7

The reason for this change, the ONLY REASON, is to get more players. It's clear that the PCU number will increase, but CCP won't get money from all of those.

This is dumb, IMO. The max daily PCU right now is about 25k. That's more than when I started this account over 10 years ago, and back then I certainly didn't get the feeling that Eve was empty or needed more players.

If CCP wants there to be more players, then focus on making the game better. Loading up Eve (and your petition queues...) with players who aren't even paying you is straight stupid.

Or just pay your sub for that account. Log in, get your stuff safe. If you don't plan on using that account...then don't and it remains safe. If want to use the account, but not the super, then sell the super, extract all the omega skills, sell it all for lots of ISK, let your sub expire and play as an alpha with a fat wallet.

Anything else you need my help on? Making toast? Pouring a cup of coffee? Tying your shoes?

Was a reply to someone request cyno be added to list of skill ...read the posts...Sheesh

"Let's alpha that miner!", totally new meaning!

Joke aside, let's look at the real problem:

To every new player coming from a classic f2p MMO this will look like the most greedy over-the-top pay2win MMO of all time:

- Can only use ships to run level 2 missions? Buy a PLEX with $ and get more ISK!
- Only extremely slow SP accumulation? Buy more PLEX with $ and get more SP!
- Only crappy ships and modules? Pay 15$ a month to access all the other toys!
- Paid those 15$ and now you need even more SP and ISK? Get some more PLEX for $!!!

This just looks really horrible for a new player and they will look at the game and say: "No way I can play competitive without throwing money at CCP! What kind of monument to the pay2win gods is that?!!"

Now before you all cry "but it still needs player skill to fly so it's not pay to win". Every game needs player skill, so this argument is just dumb so there are either no p2w games or this is one of the worst and I hope you are glad I told you that so you did not make a fool out of yourself by brining that argument. yw.

Suggestion Time!

At 5m SP give a free month of Omega automatically, this will encourage people to stay until 5m, at this point they well get a month of premium skills, they will then have them disabled after 1 month which will encourage then to sub to keep them and continue tip fly there shiny new BC or whatever.

Thanks!

I love this F2P idea!