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why does it seem like CCP is castrating high sec content creators

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Galaxy Mule
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#801 - 2016-08-29 19:47:15 UTC
Temba Mapindazi wrote:
To the OP, how would it even be possible to castrate cowardly wannabe bumping gank groupies whose preferred created content play style proves beyond doubt they already had no balls?


The butthurt is strong in this one! Big smile

Andrea Cemenotar
Elena Minasse Operations
#802 - 2016-08-29 20:04:59 UTC
hehe hehe

gankers, content creators

hehe good joke, really

one advice to OP - if he is clearly as new as he claims - burst dpsing down a ship that has barely any tools apart from certainity that the guys who are killing him will loose their ships as well IS NOT a content

bumping a freighter to deny it enter a warp in which case he does not even have THAT quarantee is also NOT a content

and hence - however you will put it up - the guys who engage it just for the sake of griefing and or big isk killmail are NOT content CREATORS because what they "create" - even assuming thats the proper word here IS NOT a CONTENT.

even on first few pages of this thread you could see quite a few of examples of actuall high-sec content creators.

and no actuall content creators in high sec are in no way "castrated" from the ability of creating the content
Temba Mapindazi
#803 - 2016-08-29 21:12:55 UTC
Galaxy Mule wrote:
Temba Mapindazi wrote:
To the OP, how would it even be possible to castrate cowardly wannabe bumping gank groupies whose preferred created content play style proves beyond doubt they already had no balls?


The butthurt is strong in this one! Big smile

Pretending to be a female in an online game, guess you know a lot about butt hurt! Ugh

A combat pilot must have two goals to survive,  #1 get the first shot in every fight , #2 get the last shot in every fight!

Solecist Project
#804 - 2016-08-29 21:19:07 UTC
Temba Mapindazi wrote:
Galaxy Mule wrote:
Temba Mapindazi wrote:
To the OP, how would it even be possible to castrate cowardly wannabe bumping gank groupies whose preferred created content play style proves beyond doubt they already had no balls?


The butthurt is strong in this one! Big smile

Pretending to be a female in an online game, guess you know a lot about butt hurt! Ugh
Holy **** now you even proved him right. *facepalm*
Is that really what you call a proper comeback?
Are you really that useless?

Isn't there ANYONE who is actually a skilled smack-talker?


Do we really have to deal with all these low class, low education, low ability manchilds??

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Temba Mapindazi
#805 - 2016-08-29 21:30:54 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Temba Mapindazi wrote:
Galaxy Mule wrote:
Temba Mapindazi wrote:
To the OP, how would it even be possible to castrate cowardly wannabe bumping gank groupies whose preferred created content play style proves beyond doubt they already had no balls?


The butthurt is strong in this one! Big smile

Pretending to be a female in an online game, guess you know a lot about butt hurt! Ugh
Holy **** now you even proved him right. *facepalm*
Is that really what you call a proper comeback?
Are you really that useless?

Isn't there ANYONE who is actually a skilled smack-talker?


Do we really have to deal with all these low class, low education, low ability manchilds??
I must confess smack talking is not something I excel at.
The quick juvenile assumption that someone is butt hurt because they dislike cowards who gank unarmed ships is irksome.
Especially when I have never been ganked by one of those low iq tag along wannabe warriors.
The fact that people actually pretend they have demonstrated some level of skill is perplexing.
EVE has an abundance of great pilots who fearlessly traverse all levels of it's security, these high sec back shooters don't deserve to be mentioned in the company of the intrepid pirates who engage in real PVP.

A combat pilot must have two goals to survive,  #1 get the first shot in every fight , #2 get the last shot in every fight!

Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#806 - 2016-08-29 22:08:03 UTC
Temba Mapindazi wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Temba Mapindazi wrote:
Galaxy Mule wrote:
Temba Mapindazi wrote:
To the OP, how would it even be possible to castrate cowardly wannabe bumping gank groupies whose preferred created content play style proves beyond doubt they already had no balls?


The butthurt is strong in this one! Big smile

Pretending to be a female in an online game, guess you know a lot about butt hurt! Ugh
Holy **** now you even proved him right. *facepalm*
Is that really what you call a proper comeback?
Are you really that useless?

Isn't there ANYONE who is actually a skilled smack-talker?


Do we really have to deal with all these low class, low education, low ability manchilds??
I must confess smack talking is not something I excel at.
The quick juvenile assumption that someone is butt hurt because they dislike cowards who gank unarmed ships is irksome.
Especially when I have never been ganked by one of those low iq tag along wannabe warriors.
The fact that people actually pretend they have demonstrated some level of skill is perplexing.
EVE has an abundance of great pilots who fearlessly traverse all levels of it's security, these high sec back shooters don't deserve to be mentioned in the company of the intrepid pirates who engage in real PVP.

The butthurt is shown from the language you use, not what the subject is about.

Your language shows all the signs of being butthurt.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Solecist Project
#807 - 2016-08-29 22:54:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:

The butthurt is shown from the language you use, not what the subject is about.

Your language shows all the signs of being butthurt.

Well that one was much better than the last one.

And it's not like he's wrong.
The way the modern ganker plays nowadays is embarrassing and borderline carebearish.

Though, someone who writes "real PvP" isn't exactly someone I'd take seriously either ...

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#808 - 2016-08-29 23:26:45 UTC
Temba Mapindazi wrote:
To the OP, how would it even be possible to castrate cowardly wannabe bumping gank groupies whose preferred created content play style proves beyond doubt they already had no balls?

Just asking.Big smile

Bumping should damage and disable the ship initiating the collision without the possibility to eject and damage sec status like any other criminal attack. Time these alts started facing a little risk & consequences for the reward of enabling a gank.


It is not the fault of the gankers that you are a risk seeker.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#809 - 2016-08-30 00:15:06 UTC
Temba Mapindazi wrote:
Bumping should damage and disable the ship initiating the collision without the possibility to eject and damage sec status like any other criminal attack.
Firstly the server has no way of telling if a bump is intentional or not, if bumping became a criminal act the undock at Jita would be a a mess of wrecks and Concord; secondly if an impact damages one ship then it stands to reason it also damages the other; in which case the laws of physics would like a word with you about how much damage an object with a mass well in excess of 1000 tons travelling at in excess of mach 2 will inflict on whatever it hits.

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Time these alts started facing a little risk & consequences for the reward of enabling a gank.
You could try shooting them, there's nothing mechanically stopping you from doing so once your safety is turned off.

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Temba Mapindazi
#810 - 2016-08-30 00:55:07 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Temba Mapindazi wrote:
Bumping should damage and disable the ship initiating the collision without the possibility to eject and damage sec status like any other criminal attack.
Firstly the server has no way of telling if a bump is intentional or not, if bumping became a criminal act the undock at Jita would be a a mess of wrecks and Concord; secondly if an impact damages one ship then it stands to reason it also damages the other; in which case the laws of physics would like a word with you about how much damage an object with a mass well in excess of 1000 tons travelling at in excess of mach 2 will inflict on whatever it hits.

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Time these alts started facing a little risk & consequences for the reward of enabling a gank.
You could try shooting them, there's nothing mechanically stopping you from doing so once your safety is turned off.
How long have you or did you work for CCP? Seems like you know what data their servers collect, please share how you acquired such knowledge or admit it's your opinion/ guess and not an actual fact. My guess is the server that can uncloak my ship when it gets to within 2000 meters of a frozen dead body could be programmed to determine whom accelerated towards a stationary or orbiting ship to case a collision. Considering the calculations that it takes daily right now to determine damage effectiveness of ordnance based on angle, distance, and speed I suspect the servers might be up to the task.

The undock at Jita is one of the worst immersion breaks in the game, ships passing thru each other, a total mess. I wish CCP would do something about that, an orderly departure even if it meant delay would be far better. When Jita is over crowded access to enter the entire system is slowed at gates and login, undocking should be handled the same.

Sadly a ball of twisting writhing ships is a hallmark of CCP large battles so I don't see them changing that mechanic anytime soon.

A combat pilot must have two goals to survive,  #1 get the first shot in every fight , #2 get the last shot in every fight!

Temba Mapindazi
#811 - 2016-08-30 01:04:16 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:



The butthurt is shown from the language you use, not what the subject is about.

Your language shows all the signs of being butthurt.[/quote]


So speaking plain English makes one seem butt hurt? Quite an interesting projection I suspect, butt I'm only guessing. Smile

A combat pilot must have two goals to survive,  #1 get the first shot in every fight , #2 get the last shot in every fight!

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#812 - 2016-08-30 03:50:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Temba Mapindazi wrote:
How long have you or did you work for CCP? Seems like you know what data their servers collect, please share how you acquired such knowledge or admit it's your opinion/ guess and not an actual fact.
While it is my opinion, it is also the opinion of people far more knowledgeable about the code than either you or I

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My guess is the server that can uncloak my ship when it gets to within 2000 meters of a frozen dead body could be programmed to determine whom accelerated towards a stationary or orbiting ship to case a collision.
If it could be done, which is doubtful, and more importantly if it was possible and CCP wanted to do so, it would have been implemented long ago.

Bumping has been a contentious subject for years and my best guess is that the forthcoming solution that allows ships to eventually warp regardless of being bumped is the best that they can do given the lack of documentation on old code.

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Considering the calculations that it takes daily right now to determine damage effectiveness of ordnance based on angle, distance, and speed I suspect the servers might be up to the task.
Your example is fairly simple trigonometry and the basic formulae in existence for centuries, who'dathunk that computers were good at fairly simple maths; anyone that's halfway decent at hitting a moving target with a gun or bow does it in their head without even realising it.

To make it a criminal act CCP would have to make the code look at how the collision was initiated, decide whether it was deliberate or not etc etc; and they'd have to do it without breaking something else because a good portion of the code is probably a decade or more old and completely undocumented as to what else it's hooked into. The only calculations it does now is to compare mass, speed and trajectory, again simple math.

Detecting collisions isn't the problem, that already happens, deciding whether it was deliberate or not is the problem; Eve players being Eve players we'd figure out ways to use the decision making process to our advantage.

I believe Baltec1 said it best, we'd build a wall of freighter wrecks on the Jita undock, and we'd do it without firing a shot; be careful what you wish for.

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The undock at Jita is one of the worst immersion breaks in the game, ships passing thru each other, a total mess. I wish CCP would do something about that, an orderly departure even if it meant delay would be far better. When Jita is over crowded access to enter the entire system is slowed at gates and login, undocking should be handled the same.
So CCP should limit the functionality of the major trade hub in the game to be aesthetically pleasing? Get real.

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Sadly a ball of twisting writhing ships is a hallmark of CCP large battles so I don't see them changing that mechanic anytime soon.
So tell me.. why do you play this game? You clearly dislike pretty much everything about it.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#813 - 2016-08-30 04:10:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Temba Mapindazi wrote:


snipping a whole lot of whine....




Why don't you just not overload your freighter in terms of ISK value?

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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Valacus
Streets of Fire
#814 - 2016-08-30 04:45:35 UTC
Bexol Regyri wrote:
I have only been playing eve for about 5 months and started out a high sec miner. One of the things that attracted me to eve was that it was pretty much what I expected of space from all the scifi books I read full of good guys and bad guys and that space is not a safe place. One of the things I found out right away was about 1/2 the players in space were not engaged in the game. There would be an ice belt with 30 people in it, but no one was really there. Their ships just mining away while they did stuff in real life. I almost fell into the same trap but then I met the pirates, as I later found out where called gankers in this game, mercs and griefers. At first I was like these guys are jerks to put it nicely. The more I watched them blow up people the more I realized they are forcing people to stay engaged in the game. At the same time I watched CCP make changes to hamper the high sec content creators and cater people to people that are not actively engaged while undocked. How does that help a healthy community?

so my question is why does it seem like CCP wants to stop or make close to impossible all non PVE highsec content when players have tons of in game tools avoid dying like d-scan, local chat, kills in system on map, etc...?


Because they don't like you. Next question.
The Leopardess
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#815 - 2016-08-31 23:44:38 UTC
Bexol Regyri wrote:
I have only been playing eve for about 5 months and started out a high sec miner. One of the things that attracted me to eve was that it was pretty much what I expected of space from all the scifi books I read full of good guys and bad guys and that space is not a safe place. One of the things I found out right away was about 1/2 the players in space were not engaged in the game. There would be an ice belt with 30 people in it, but no one was really there. Their ships just mining away while they did stuff in real life. I almost fell into the same trap but then I met the pirates, as I later found out where called gankers in this game, mercs and griefers. At first I was like these guys are jerks to put it nicely. The more I watched them blow up people the more I realized they are forcing people to stay engaged in the game. At the same time I watched CCP make changes to hamper the high sec content creators and cater people to people that are not actively engaged while undocked. How does that help a healthy community?

so my question is why does it seem like CCP wants to stop or make close to impossible all non PVE highsec content when players have tons of in game tools avoid dying like d-scan, local chat, kills in system on map, etc...?


Well just a minor point but it seems to me that fact that the miners are all sort of semi-afk is very realistic. I know if I was aboard a mining barge armed to the teeth I'd be watching movies while monitoring vitals. I kind of like that about Eve. If you want to be social join a huge nullbloc alliance with 24/7 crowds on comms, seriously not dissing you just sounds like you're kindof lonely.

龴ↀ◡ↀ龴

Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#816 - 2016-09-01 13:44:38 UTC
Temba Mapindazi wrote:
Galaxy Mule wrote:
Temba Mapindazi wrote:
To the OP, how would it even be possible to castrate cowardly wannabe bumping gank groupies whose preferred created content play style proves beyond doubt they already had no balls?


The butthurt is strong in this one! Big smile

Pretending to be a female in an online game, guess you know a lot about butt hurt! Ugh


Are you less sexually threatened if I reply with a male character? The fact that you think I'm pretending to be female because some of my characters are, I think says something pretty weird about you.

P.S. Your tears are nectar.
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#817 - 2016-09-01 13:54:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Galaxy Duck
Solecist Project wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:

The butthurt is shown from the language you use, not what the subject is about.

Your language shows all the signs of being butthurt.

Well that one was much better than the last one.

And it's not like he's wrong.
The way the modern ganker plays nowadays is embarrassing and borderline carebearish.

Though, someone who writes "real PvP" isn't exactly someone I'd take seriously either ...


Yeah! Gankers should all hop around grid like autistic bunnies! I mean, they have no real motivation to do so, but the local dimwits will think you're really cool for doing it!

I miss the good ol' days when gankers all did this! (No one except for Solstice)
Solecist Project
#818 - 2016-09-01 14:45:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Galaxy Duck wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:

The butthurt is shown from the language you use, not what the subject is about.

Your language shows all the signs of being butthurt.

Well that one was much better than the last one.

And it's not like he's wrong.
The way the modern ganker plays nowadays is embarrassing and borderline carebearish.

Though, someone who writes "real PvP" isn't exactly someone I'd take seriously either ...


Yeah! Gankers should all hop around grid like autistic bunnies! I mean, they have no real motivation to do so, but the local dimwits will think you're really cool for doing it!

I miss the good ol' days when ganker all did this! (No one except for Solstice)

And here you see the lazy ass, who chestbeats about how he ...
... sits in station all day until he undocks for 30 seconds.
... needs an alt to find targets, because his ganking char needs to be safe.

You still haven't learned that you have no arguments against me ...
... and still try to go ad hominem, indirectly giving me an advantage every single time.


When will you learn?

When?


When will you drop the ego and attitude and realize that your hubris only damages you?


You morons do nothing but ganking and chest beating, all creamed up with propaganda.

The stats from CCP tell that you FAIL at converting miners to skiffs and procurers!


WHEN?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#819 - 2016-09-01 15:15:05 UTC
Lol you clearly haven't visited the ice fields in the last few years.
Fade Azura
Weaponized Autists Cartel
#820 - 2016-09-01 17:16:41 UTC
i dont think they mean to castrate them .. they just dont want them living in a safe little bubble in their own little world. socialization is one of the best parts of this game for good and bad.