EVE General Discussion

Hmmm.. it actually seems like all of you are in an agreement that the current state of eve's wardec's need a change.

So did CCP back in 2012, and this was what they intended to fix.



Its clearly the problem with people avoiding wars that CCP deemed to be an issue.
Now its 2016 and I would say the issue is much bigger.

They raised the minimum dec of cost to 50m, making it a "win" to drop corp and make a new one for 5m. (instead of 2m vs 5m)
With "Make fighting wars a viable career path for dedicated mercenary" in mind they started on the mercenary marketplace but never finished, now its only used to send ally offers as scams.

As I've ranted on different threads.. IMHO think all of the current issues is because of most eve players take the easy road.
Let me explain.. again.

* For the aggressors the easiest way to get targets is to blanket dec and let them come to you.
* For the defenders the easiest way is to form another corp and corp jump, and claim its a win.

With Team Five-O removing watchlist as a tool its gonna be even worse for the mercs.
Now they cant even find the ones that stays in corp but goes nomadic.

And for the ones that think it should be safer in HS... CCP didnt think so in 2012, why now?

Wow most illuminating discussion. Okay maybe not. Castrating high sec content by making it more of a challenge to behave illegally in a highly legal area. Seems like that should be the intent of the high sec area. Definitely not getting the justification here.

I guess I have seen,

if you get killed, it was your fault for leaving your house/station!

Oh, getting killed is no big deal it will make you better at killing someone else.

Oh, Killing is why were all here, didn't you know that?

Oh, the people who are doing the killing will not enjoy it if you make it harder for them to kill folks who don't really like/enjoy being killed

All interesting assertions, but my conjecture is we will weed out many of the miners, and industrialist you'll find that the sand box has nothing but apex predators. This is not a statement of fact, this is my own speculation.

I do know however that the PVP mechanics of Eve are not as appealing to me as other games that have PVP content. I think CCP could fix this if they choose to do so. Just make it so the full financial lost in high sec is paid by the perpetrators. i.e. if you lose a 200 million dollar ship and cargo, the person doing the perpetrating will have all their financial transaction/accounts attached and those process will go to the person losing the ship. Hey, I wouldn't even need Concord! Kill me all you want, just make me whole financially. Keep on draining all their accounts until the damages have been paid! Now, that's teeth.

But the point being, for us as players, we may find it of benefit to be sensitive to the "carebears" maybe they are that way because they like it. I have been playing this game for 4 years via annual subscriptions. I don't intend to renew. I really don't like being disparaged because I enjoy being a "miner" I may try going back to mining in a Machariel, Hmmmm.... I may try that for a bit, a mining barge with guns......

People who spread the bullshit about how it's PvPers who are toxic ...
... should for once get a real glimpse about how toxic we can be.

Not a single one of you needs to be here and the only two things that allow you to play ...
... are CONCORD and the idiots who don't realize that you're a cancer that needs surgery.

The toxicity started with those who didn't accept the game as it is and whined for more security.

Not the other way round.

I know what will fix this

A fifth CONCORD buff.

Yeah and that will drive retention through the roof!

Funny, in a thriving ecosystem you have both the predators and the prey, and the prey learn how to avoid the predators. It is usually the sick, young, and injured that are picked off. Sometimes the unlucky, but usually not.

Here in Eve it is the imprudent who get picked off. We are not supposed to post killmails, but we can look at them and discuss them.

So, I am looking at CODE.'s freighter kills.

I am looking at the kill of Bergin Strovia, the kill looks like it is low value, but he had a bunch of double wrapped items...which can lead CODE. to gank you in the hopes those plastic wrapped items are high value. Next up is Mikasa Inkura who lost a charon full of several plastic wrapped items and well over 5 billion in nitrogen isotopes...which dropped. Next, we have MSPontius who also lost a charon, and he over filled his freighter in terms of value to the tune of 4,390,544,588.98 ISK of which 4,287,997,808.83 dropped. Next is Gordan Blacksmith who filled his providence with the 2,250,595,843.95 ISK of Stuff™ of which about 2.2 billion ISK dropped.

I could keep going, but there is one point that I have been making repeatedly and yet nobody is willing to acknowledge it in the anti-ganking crowd. These players all took on excessive risk. They put enough value in their freighters so that ganking them can be cost effective. Players can very, very, very easily avoid this. Do not put excessive ISK into freighter. That's it. That is all you have to do. CODE. might still gank you, but now it is no longer cost effective.

Stop being imprudent and you will reduce your risk. Do not come here blubbering about the risk facing the other guy when you stupidly take on too much risk.



No. If you can't be arsed to not be imprudent to the point of being stupid....that is your problem. If you take on excessive risk you have nobody to blame but yourself. In fact, your suggestion rewards imprudence. It makes being imprudent zero cost. And this will have consequences you may not like. The regional price differences that prudent people can take advantage of and make ISK...those will shrink, and possibly even go away. Why? Because people can load up their freighters to max capacity. We might as well take away the fitting options for freighters too because fitting for max cargo is the only sensible option.



I am sensitive to carebears, I want them to be less imprudent, that is the strategy they need to adopt. Problem is that they come here and whine about the other side "having no risk" when in fact that is not true and what they really mean is they do not want to face any risk at all.

It has been a long standing view that you never undock in what you cannot afford to lose. If you pour every last ISK into Stuff™ and undock in a ship that is big and slow, and has no offensive capabilities...you are basically saying, I love risk. You are being risk seeking. Then to come and complain about people who take a more prudent approach, yes the gankers, for not taking on more risk...it is the height of irony or ignorance or maybe both.

Hmm, maybe a few shares in Sealy? They make (or at least sell) pillows and mattresses.

Everyone's going to need more for when they inevitably fall asleep in their L4s.

Something I could never understand is why it bothers anyone when people are AFK mining ice, mining is a boring, boring, boring....did I say boring profession and I don't blame anybody for AFK'ing.

That said, just understand most of those "ice miners" are alts made to mine specifically ice for their pos or Corp, attacking them doesn't "create" content because they are just mindless characters one mission, ice.

If you claim half the population of eve are "AFK ice miners" and yet the numbers never support that theory and is an over exaggeration is an understatement, if your looking for people to play with all anyone has to do is go to a trade market, low sec, null, or even go around challenging people to duels will get you all the content you want, I've been here in eve off and on for 6 years (nearly), and I've never chatted with miners of any sort, mission runners, PVP'ers, gate campers, roamers, even WH residents I will chat with but miners never.

Creating content, real meaningful content for yourself means having a goal and working towards that, I haven't got the skills for it yet but I was wanting to try a reversal on the gate camp tacklers by finding a place where a gate camp is, wait for them to tackle a helpless victims then jump in to kill the tackler, not caring if I get blapped because insurance will cover most of the losses anyway.

If you want people to chat with then by all means go to the noob systems and help them get on their feet, do the typical mining and missions while they learn and then start to form friendships, this will get you plenty of people to chat with and more minds to create content.

Anyway, went on longer then I should have good luck.

"Creating content, real meaningful content for yourself means having a goal and working towards that"

Everything that affects someone else directly is meaningfull.

When my goal is to kick your candy ass ...
... then that's meaningfull.

It has a meaning to you, because it affects you.
What you think about that is irrelevant.

To the OP, how would it even be possible to castrate cowardly wannabe bumping gank groupies whose preferred created content play style proves beyond doubt they already had no balls?

Just asking.

Bumping should damage and disable the ship initiating the collision without the possibility to eject and damage sec status like any other criminal attack. Time these alts started facing a little risk & consequences for the reward of enabling a gank.