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#461 - 2016-08-23 19:25:30 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
So NPCs are gankers now?

**** me, this debate is even crazier than it reads.

I expect that sort of manipulation of the truth from Dracvlad, but you are normally much more reasonable in your posts.

I think you mis-read my edit there - I meant it was another *mistake* I made, when I claimed there were 11 gankers.

Just saving you the effort of finding it yourself to point out P


You are correct though, I'm not in top form today - perhaps I'll withdraw and leave the debating battlefield to the rest of you for the time being o7

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#462 - 2016-08-23 19:25:45 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


What the hell are you going on about, I never said 1-2 Catalysts could gank 80k, stop being a complete tool.


You sure thought Gunrunner1775 had a good point about being able to gank a rokh with 1-2 catalysts. In fact, you used the term checkmate.

But we all know you are a liar.


And you ar a tool, checkmate was referring to the fact that should CCP nerf the Skiff then people will switch to something that can tank better such as a Rokh. You never read what people write, just post on your own projection of what people have written.


And you just can't think about baltec1's proposal and be honest about.

Ganking an 80k ehp ship will likely take 6 catalysts minimum, 7 would be the most likely sweet spot. That is going to be considerably less sustainable than ganking a retriever or a covetor or even an un-tanked mackinaw. In these latter cases you an often get away with 1 catalyst, 2 to be sure. So you'd have to have a wallet that is at least 3x deeper to go around ganking skiffs if their EHP is reduced down to 80k. And this is assuming skiff pilots just sit there and do nothing.

baltec1's idea is the first idea I have seen that could make mining interesting and still allow for solo mining in a skiff. Yes, there might be a higher level of occasional skiff ganks, but given that skiffs are ganked so infrequently already, going from 0 to 1 is not going to be a serious problem.*

You have to be the biggest crybaby on the forums. Some body comes up with an idea that could make HS fleet mining interesting and you wet yourself about a minuscule increase in the likelihood of being ganked.

*Yes, a while back I went an looked at skiffs that were killed in HS, I found one. It was killed by a guy in a cynabal and he in turn did not show any loss mail, so my conclusion was he killed the skiff legally.


Trying to recover from your catastrophic level of stupidity earlier.

For null sec its an interesting idea and I think CCP should have a look at it.

7 is a sweet spot for gankers, it is not for people who want to be difficult to kill, it is not a stretch target and I say this having kept an eye on Skiffs being ganked I have found a number of Skiffs that have been ganked, Dirty Forum Alt linked one I was aware of. So while you in your ignorance dismiss that, I don't you are ignorant on this subject. This is not a miniscule increase in risk, it changes the threat level significantly.

The majority of people who mine in hisec are solo miners with one or two ships, not fleets, people do fleets when ice mining and if we ignore hisec mechanics and the issues there it would be of interest to multi boxer fleet miners in ice belts. But not for the majority of hisec miners. So for making it better for what are likely to be bot aspirants in ice belts you want to screw it up for real active solo miners in hisec. Shocked

What do you mean by 7 is a sweet spot for gankers; and based on what?

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#463 - 2016-08-23 19:29:36 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Khan Wrenth,

baltec1 is just after setting the Skiff's tank so CODE and Miniluv can afford to gank them in terms of cost and manpower, it's lazy and entitled, but most of all they hate that some miners are able to thumb their noses at them. I think the current balance is fine, people have choices, lots of ships getting ganked and miners have a choice to up their game if they want to.

I often hear people go on about miners doing such things as aligning, watching local and keeping an eye on D-scan, yeah right, but mission runners don't do that either. First of all aligning is not easy with a 15 km range, second issue is mining in busy systems or pipes with a lot of throughput and resident gankers, then we get onto using D-scan. I mine in a pipe system, and I watch local and I check D-scan, but the ship I use has less yield and a bigger tank and the gankers when they come in always gank someone else and is there anything wrong in them picking people who fit ships that they can gank and not have to get friends to gank me. I am always at the keyboard when I mine, hell I go for a pee I dock up, mainly because I don't like giving an easy kill, and for me the tank being reduced to 7 or 8 catalysts is in the easy to afford level for gankers and easy to do with their numbers.

The difference between mission runners and miners is that miners tend to be sitting in easy to warp to locations where people can get a cloaky next to them to be able to warp in and blap. Doing that to a mission runner requires probes, then if they are in a gated mission they are on D-scan for longer and of course a clever mission runner uses that MJD to move out of range of the warp in. It is a much more difficult gank, however some Russians have perfected it.

To say it is because they don't want to pay attention is utter bullshite,

You correctly say mining is boring and it is, but what the hell is playing the game equally, that's like asking for a fair fight.

You have an issue with the EHP because you are not good enough to get around it and a wall of text does not get around that point. HTFU and kill my Skiff, simple as that!

EDIT: And I repeat for the cretins who do not get it, mining AFK is not possible, I get one and a half cycle per roid, AFK mining is not possible.



If you can only get 1.5 cycles mining then you're in the wrong system, mining the wrong ore, or just crap at mining.

Before I moved I was based for well over 2 years in a system 4 jumps from Dixie.

I could always go mine Plagio and get 5 or 6 cycles using a Mack, or Hulk or whatever, any day of the week. I let the drones grab Veld or Scordite.

Mining afk is entirely possible if you wanted to so stop with the bull, some of what you post makes sense, this is just a pile of crap.

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#464 - 2016-08-23 19:36:21 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
So NPCs are gankers now?

**** me, this debate is even crazier than it reads.

I expect that sort of manipulation of the truth from Dracvlad, but you are normally much more reasonable in your posts.

I think you mis-read my edit there - I meant it was another *mistake* I made, when I claimed there were 11 gankers.

Just saving you the effort of finding it yourself to point out P


You are correct though, I'm not in top form today - perhaps I'll withdraw and leave the debating battlefield to the rest of you for the time being o7


So you missed a NPC with 248 damage and they say what you said is wrong, you are in fact correct that Catalyst was doing a lot of damage, I get to 1152 DPS on my fit but I think it was not a great fit so nearer 750 to 800. Impressive DPS however.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#465 - 2016-08-23 19:39:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Drago Shouna wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Khan Wrenth,

baltec1 is just after setting the Skiff's tank so CODE and Miniluv can afford to gank them in terms of cost and manpower, it's lazy and entitled, but most of all they hate that some miners are able to thumb their noses at them. I think the current balance is fine, people have choices, lots of ships getting ganked and miners have a choice to up their game if they want to.

I often hear people go on about miners doing such things as aligning, watching local and keeping an eye on D-scan, yeah right, but mission runners don't do that either. First of all aligning is not easy with a 15 km range, second issue is mining in busy systems or pipes with a lot of throughput and resident gankers, then we get onto using D-scan. I mine in a pipe system, and I watch local and I check D-scan, but the ship I use has less yield and a bigger tank and the gankers when they come in always gank someone else and is there anything wrong in them picking people who fit ships that they can gank and not have to get friends to gank me. I am always at the keyboard when I mine, hell I go for a pee I dock up, mainly because I don't like giving an easy kill, and for me the tank being reduced to 7 or 8 catalysts is in the easy to afford level for gankers and easy to do with their numbers.

The difference between mission runners and miners is that miners tend to be sitting in easy to warp to locations where people can get a cloaky next to them to be able to warp in and blap. Doing that to a mission runner requires probes, then if they are in a gated mission they are on D-scan for longer and of course a clever mission runner uses that MJD to move out of range of the warp in. It is a much more difficult gank, however some Russians have perfected it.

To say it is because they don't want to pay attention is utter bullshite,

You correctly say mining is boring and it is, but what the hell is playing the game equally, that's like asking for a fair fight.

You have an issue with the EHP because you are not good enough to get around it and a wall of text does not get around that point. HTFU and kill my Skiff, simple as that!

EDIT: And I repeat for the cretins who do not get it, mining AFK is not possible, I get one and a half cycle per roid, AFK mining is not possible.



If you can only get 1.5 cycles mining then you're in the wrong system, mining the wrong ore, or just crap at mining.

Before I moved I was based for well over 2 years in a system 4 jumps from Dixie.

I could always go mine Plagio and get 5 or 6 cycles using a Mack, or Hulk or whatever, any day of the week. I let the drones grab Veld or Scordite.

Mining afk is entirely possible if you wanted to so stop with the bull, some of what you post makes sense, this is just a pile of crap.


Well I just mined again today and got one and a half cycles in my Skiff. Next you will be telling me black is white, one and a half cycle is not AFK. Roll Luminous Kernite by the way.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#466 - 2016-08-23 19:40:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Dracvlad wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
So NPCs are gankers now?

**** me, this debate is even crazier than it reads.

I expect that sort of manipulation of the truth from Dracvlad, but you are normally much more reasonable in your posts.

I think you mis-read my edit there - I meant it was another *mistake* I made, when I claimed there were 11 gankers.

Just saving you the effort of finding it yourself to point out P


You are correct though, I'm not in top form today - perhaps I'll withdraw and leave the debating battlefield to the rest of you for the time being o7


So you missed a NPC with 248 damage and they say what you said is wrong, you are in fact correct that Catalyst was doing a lot of damage, I get to 1152 DPS on my fit but I think it was not a great fit so nearer 750 to 800. Impressive DPS however.

That's not why I said she was wrong.

I didn't consider the NPC as one of the gankers anyway, and DFA clarified that she had included it as the 11th by mistake.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Solecist Project
#467 - 2016-08-23 19:42:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Dracvlad wrote:

Well I just mined again today and got one and a half cycles in my Skiff. Next you will be telling me black is white, one and a half cycle is not AFK. Roll

Preciselyy speaking you are, or are equivalent to being afk as soon as you tab out...
... and can't see any important part of the client anymore.

But that's nitpicking and I do admit that it is.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#468 - 2016-08-23 19:47:13 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Well I just mined again today and got one and a half cycles in my Skiff. Next you will be telling me black is white, one and a half cycle is not AFK. Roll

Preciselyy speaking you are, or are equivalent to being afk as soon as you tab out...
... and can't see any important part of the client anymore.

But that's nitpicking and I do admit that it is.


If I tab out I make sure that I can see local on one of my clients and can get to D-Scan fast and I don't like watching something when mining, at most a couple of minutes.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#469 - 2016-08-23 19:47:43 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Well I just mined again today and got one and a half cycles in my Skiff. Next you will be telling me black is white, one and a half cycle is not AFK. Roll

Preciselyy speaking you are, or are equivalent to being afk as soon as you tab out...
... and can't see any important part of the client anymore.

But that's nitpicking and I do admit that it is.

The bigger tragedy is only getting 1.5 cycles.

Survey scanners are helpful in avoiding that, though AFK kind of implies something I've never been able to achieve when mining. Semi-AFK is kind of the best I do, because even with 3-4 cycles between changes, filling ore hold and watching local, there's not much AFK I ever manage when mining (though I do hate mining, so I might not be all that good at it).

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#470 - 2016-08-23 19:51:02 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Well I just mined again today and got one and a half cycles in my Skiff. Next you will be telling me black is white, one and a half cycle is not AFK. Roll

Preciselyy speaking you are, or are equivalent to being afk as soon as you tab out...
... and can't see any important part of the client anymore.

But that's nitpicking and I do admit that it is.

The bigger tragedy is only getting 1.5 cycles.

Survey scanners are helpful in avoiding that, though AFK kind of implies something I've never been able to achieve when mining. Semi-AFK is kind of the best I do, because even with 3-4 cycles between changes, filling ore hold and watching local, there's not much AFK I ever manage when mining (though I do hate mining, so I might not be all that good at it).


In truth I am not really a very effective miner, just do it when I cannot be bothered to do anything else and I don't fit a survey scanner either as it reduces the tank. But I mine with two Skiffs so I am quite active when mining.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Solecist Project
#471 - 2016-08-23 21:43:26 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
In truth I am not really a very effective miner, just do it when I cannot be bothered to do anything else and I don't fit a survey scanner either as it reduces the tank. But I mine with two Skiffs so I am quite active when mining.

how do you handle a situation when someone comes and outmines you?

Imagine i warp in with two covetors and always mine your rocks.
Full yield setup, of course.

Highsec, in case it wasn't obvious.

What do?


That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#472 - 2016-08-23 21:49:03 UTC
bump him off with a machariel
while mining in my full tank procurer!


or call code Cool
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#473 - 2016-08-23 23:48:05 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Well I just mined again today and got one and a half cycles in my Skiff. Next you will be telling me black is white, one and a half cycle is not AFK. Roll

Preciselyy speaking you are, or are equivalent to being afk as soon as you tab out...
... and can't see any important part of the client anymore.

But that's nitpicking and I do admit that it is.

The bigger tragedy is only getting 1.5 cycles.

Survey scanners are helpful in avoiding that, though AFK kind of implies something I've never been able to achieve when mining. Semi-AFK is kind of the best I do, because even with 3-4 cycles between changes, filling ore hold and watching local, there's not much AFK I ever manage when mining (though I do hate mining, so I might not be all that good at it).


In truth I am not really a very effective miner, just do it when I cannot be bothered to do anything else and I don't fit a survey scanner either as it reduces the tank. But I mine with two Skiffs so I am quite active when mining.



Try fitting a survey scanner and find the man size rocks then come back because you're right, you're not very effective.

Nor are you in a position to post about mining, you really need to get over this paranoia about tank as well, if it's that bad where you are then move.

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#474 - 2016-08-24 06:20:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Drago Shouna wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Well I just mined again today and got one and a half cycles in my Skiff. Next you will be telling me black is white, one and a half cycle is not AFK. Roll

Preciselyy speaking you are, or are equivalent to being afk as soon as you tab out...
... and can't see any important part of the client anymore.

But that's nitpicking and I do admit that it is.

The bigger tragedy is only getting 1.5 cycles.

Survey scanners are helpful in avoiding that, though AFK kind of implies something I've never been able to achieve when mining. Semi-AFK is kind of the best I do, because even with 3-4 cycles between changes, filling ore hold and watching local, there's not much AFK I ever manage when mining (though I do hate mining, so I might not be all that good at it).


In truth I am not really a very effective miner, just do it when I cannot be bothered to do anything else and I don't fit a survey scanner either as it reduces the tank. But I mine with two Skiffs so I am quite active when mining.



Try fitting a survey scanner and find the man size rocks then come back because you're right, you're not very effective.

Nor are you in a position to post about mining, you really need to get over this paranoia about tank as well, if it's that bad where you are then move.


Nope I don't fit a survey scanner because I want a maximum tank and the belt is carefully selected for safety and I take specific ore. But this attitude of yours confuses me, I get one and a half cycles as a definition of paying attention to mining, in other words that after two cycles I have to switch rocks, defining that being AFK is just not possible and you start bleating about me not being a miner, are you suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.

Yes I am in a position to post about mining, I am not a min/max miner, those people fit for yield, I am a tank miner and the Skiff is my baby and is the ship that players like me use because it can be tanked. It is not bad at all where I am, hardly any ganks, but the best defence for a mining ship is a tank, if you are assuming that I don't do other things to protect myself then you are wrong, I just put a lot of value in being in a ship that is a challenge to kill. The few times that CODE come in I wait and see if they come near me, they never do, and there are a number of reasons for that. For example both of the toons I use to mine are top skilled logi pilots with rep drones to the max, I could go on. I had a Mackinaw in belt with me on one occasion when CODE came in and he had two flights of medium shield rep drones on him.

If you are a yield player in a Retreiver then that is fair enough, I am not going to criticise you for that strategy, each to their own as it's a perfectly valid one, on the other hand as I do PvP and ganking is a perfectly legitamite gameplay I work on the basis of defending myself and that includes making a noise about keeping the option to have a meaningful tank if I see it threatened by gankers whining about the Skiff, which some have. Now one of the gankers here in this thread was quite reasonable about it, which I respect him for.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#475 - 2016-08-24 06:29:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Solecist Project wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
In truth I am not really a very effective miner, just do it when I cannot be bothered to do anything else and I don't fit a survey scanner either as it reduces the tank. But I mine with two Skiffs so I am quite active when mining.

how do you handle a situation when someone comes and outmines you?

Imagine i warp in with two covetors and always mine your rocks.
Full yield setup, of course.

Highsec, in case it wasn't obvious.

What do?



There are a number of ways, I just keep nibbling away at the rocks anyway, I have done that for hours in the past, one bot did that to me and I followed him around all day reducing his yield, he never bothered me again. You see most bot players would look at the low yield and think what the hell and then move elsewhere, which is what happened.

If it was someone who was doing that to annoy me, I would do two things, the first would be to let him get on with it, I don't get annoyed easily, but an option would be to gank him, I do have a trained ganker toon. Ganking a competing miner who crosses a line in bad behaviour is a perfectly acceptable attitude in my book and I could do it easily, that would be a dispute over resources and if I felt like it I would just do it, however in my experience most people have the attention span of a gnat, so I would get bothered for one or two days, I would just go something else for a couple of days or a week and then that person would have got bored. But if he was more persistent I would gank him.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Lawrence Lawton
The Lawton School for Pubbies Who Can't Mine Good
Novus Ordo.
#476 - 2016-08-24 08:07:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Lawrence Lawton
To gank that sweet kin/therm Skiff I would exploit its EM hole and hit it with about 10 Coercers, just for being too clever.

That Miss Sveta kill took 10 pilots with good skills in T2 Catalysts in a 0.6 with CONCORD pulled, a perfect warp-in, and a stationary target. The target was estimated to have 100k EHP by itself and likely had somewhat more due to passive boosts from the Orca in system. As for the spread in damage, there were some late shooters, but everybody should have been doing a minimum of 600 DPS. Some cats will land outside their optimal range and not apply full damage until they approach the target. The top damage pilot likely had implants and max skills, as well as being one of the first to shoot.

We considered it a close gank because we didn't even have time to catch the pod before getting jammed out.

10 cats * 600 DPS * 20s = 120k EHP theoretical max damage output.

That one was the white whale. It had survived two gank attempts on other days before we finally succeeded.
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#477 - 2016-08-24 08:41:03 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:

The bigger tragedy is only getting 1.5 cycles.

Survey scanners are helpful in avoiding that, though AFK kind of implies something I've never been able to achieve when mining. Semi-AFK is kind of the best I do, because even with 3-4 cycles between changes, filling ore hold and watching local, there's not much AFK I ever manage when mining (though I do hate mining, so I might not be all that good at it).


In truth I am not really a very effective miner, just do it when I cannot be bothered to do anything else and I don't fit a survey scanner either as it reduces the tank. But I mine with two Skiffs so I am quite active when mining.[/quote]


Try fitting a survey scanner and find the man size rocks then come back because you're right, you're not very effective.

Nor are you in a position to post about mining, you really need to get over this paranoia about tank as well, if it's that bad where you are then move.[/quote]

Nope I don't fit a survey scanner because I want a maximum tank and the belt is carefully selected for safety and I take specific ore. But this attitude of yours confuses me, I get one and a half cycles as a definition of paying attention to mining, in other words that after two cycles I have to switch rocks, defining that being AFK is just not possible and you start bleating about me not being a miner, are you suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.

Yes I am in a position to post about mining, I am not a min/max miner, those people fit for yield, I am a tank miner and the Skiff is my baby and is the ship that players like me use because it can be tanked. It is not bad at all where I am, hardly any ganks, but the best defence for a mining ship is a tank, if you are assuming that I don't do other things to protect myself then you are wrong, I just put a lot of value in being in a ship that is a challenge to kill. The few times that CODE come in I wait and see if they come near me, they never do, and there are a number of reasons for that. For example both of the toons I use to mine are top skilled logi pilots with rep drones to the max, I could go on. I had a Mackinaw in belt with me on one occasion when CODE came in and he had two flights of medium shield rep drones on him.

If you are a yield player in a Retreiver then that is fair enough, I am not going to criticise you for that strategy, each to their own as it's a perfectly valid one, on the other hand as I do PvP and ganking is a perfectly legitamite gameplay I work on the basis of defending myself and that includes making a noise about keeping the option to have a meaningful tank if I see it threatened by gankers whining about the Skiff, which some have. Now one of the gankers here in this thread was quite reasonable about it, which I respect him for.[/quote]


You're not paying attention at all, that's the problem.

You're obsessed with tank, nothing else...

By fitting a survey scanner you'd pick out better and larger rocks and get a lot more cycles, so please stop whining about a lack of cycles until you're prepared to actually do something about it.

Where I mined I have NEVER seen code, ever. You're in the wrong place, simple. In over 4 years of play I have lost 3 mining ships, 1 to a gank very early in my career, 1 mining frigate in a wh, and 1 skiff in a low sec gate battle, a battle that lasted around 8 mins before I died btw.

In hs I mainly used macks fitted for yield, when I had my mini fleet of 2 hulks and orca out, they were fitted for yield and every single barge or exhumer has a survey scanner fitted, you simply cannot mine effectively without one, it's just pure guess work otherwise. Where I am now mining with skiffs in null, they are fitted for yield apart from a token tank in the mids against belt rats, they're also fitted with survey scanners......

I used to think Lucas Kell could drone on and on, but you have him beat, all this repetitious posting about the meta game over and over is boring now, as is your constant griping about ganking, which rarely happens by what I've seen in game.

I'm out of this thread until I don't have to read the same thing over and over and over and over from a single player.

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#478 - 2016-08-24 09:17:31 UTC
Drago Shouna,

That post is a mess.

It is a sandbox, if I want to mine at a less efficient level due to putting more emphasis on tank rather than yield that is my choice.

My comment was that you cannot mine AFK because the asteroids get depleted fast is valid.

I have not lost a mining ship to a gank either, I also pick my systems and my belts carefully.

Your choice to use Mack's fitted for yield is valid, I just prefer to go for tank.

Well if certain people could stop trying to get the Skiff nerfed because its too tough then I would not post on why that is a bad idea, for me its the option to get into something really tough which has an impact on yield, its fair.

And above your post there is a ganker who has effectively ganked Skiffs as they are now, which is perfectly fine. Ganking needs a balance pass in a few areas in my opinion, bumping is one, second is the loot scoop and I think the consequences could be beefed up by loss of docking rights in NPC stations, but I would leave it alone apart from that. Those are pretty clear statements.

I also have a lot of respect for Lucas Kell, he knows his stuff.

Anyway o7

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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Solecist Project
#479 - 2016-08-24 10:40:41 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
In truth I am not really a very effective miner, just do it when I cannot be bothered to do anything else and I don't fit a survey scanner either as it reduces the tank. But I mine with two Skiffs so I am quite active when mining.

how do you handle a situation when someone comes and outmines you?

Imagine i warp in with two covetors and always mine your rocks.
Full yield setup, of course.

Highsec, in case it wasn't obvious.

What do?



There are a number of ways, I just keep nibbling away at the rocks anyway, I have done that for hours in the past, one bot did that to me and I followed him around all day reducing his yield, he never bothered me again. You see most bot players would look at the low yield and think what the hell and then move elsewhere, which is what happened.

If it was someone who was doing that to annoy me, I would do two things, the first would be to let him get on with it, I don't get annoyed easily, but an option would be to gank him, I do have a trained ganker toon. Ganking a competing miner who crosses a line in bad behaviour is a perfectly acceptable attitude in my book and I could do it easily, that would be a dispute over resources and if I felt like it I would just do it, however in my experience most people have the attention span of a gnat, so I would get bothered for one or two days, I would just go something else for a couple of days or a week and then that person would have got bored. But if he was more persistent I would gank him.

Hold on a second.
It's *me* who warps in. :)

I'll adress your mentioned options.
Everything we talk about here, like kost things i mention, i did already btw.
Great fun, in a weird and interesting way.

You would let me get on with it. I will up with mining drones to reduce your yield to a level where you constantly have to change roids and don't really get well paid for the amount of effort. My covetors outmine you by a wide margin and as i don't cafe about the ore, i just drop it into cans and pop them.

My attention span is huOH A BUTTERFLY! ;)

You can't gank me at all unless you are specialized about it.
I warp out within the second of a potential thread coming.

So i continuously pest you and deny you mini g income, rightfully,
especially because you intentionally cripple your mining with a skiff.

What do?
The regular options don't work against me.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#480 - 2016-08-24 11:13:20 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
What do?
The regular options don't work against me.

Report you for harassment, because whining to CCP is the fallback position of Carebears.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."