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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#501 - 2016-08-25 10:52:25 UTC
Soel Reit wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Drago Shouna wrote:
You need to get a life.
Says the guy insulting him on an internet video-game forum... Roll
You're so dirty...



inb4 a shower! Shocked


Moist...
Solecist Project
#502 - 2016-08-25 11:14:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Reminds me of Alpha...

We hijacked some long thread, just like this one ...
... and even devs started to comment on our epic innuendos which went on for pages.

We were sooooo gooooood ...
... and sucked everyone in so deep ...
... into our conversation, that they didn't even moderate it.

Good times..

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#503 - 2016-08-25 11:17:07 UTC
Roll sadly it's all over, eve is dying Roll

jkCool
Solecist Project
#504 - 2016-08-25 12:35:09 UTC
Soel Reit wrote:
Roll sadly it's all over, eve is dying Roll

jkCool

Nah.
It'll live, but it'll be a mere shadow of its former glory.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#505 - 2016-08-25 12:55:59 UTC
even in the darkest soul there is a bright light...
...nothing will stay forever...
and nothing will begone forever...

EVE will rise again...
the phoenix is not a legend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#506 - 2016-08-25 16:04:55 UTC
The Proc has such an insane tank already on the hull and you can just use all the mids for utility it has become my favorite scout and loot ship by far. The only thing that I am missing is a second Highslot and the cpu/power to fit an expanded probe launcher. Looks like it may even get that second high slot, so I am looking forward to this patch.
Solecist Project
#507 - 2016-08-25 16:20:17 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
The Proc has such an insane tank already on the hull and you can just use all the mids for utility it has become my favorite scout and loot ship by far. The only thing that I am missing is a second Highslot and the cpu/power to fit an expanded probe launcher. Looks like it may even get that second high slot, so I am looking forward to this patch.

Have you considered using a cap booster for instant onlining of several modules?
I used this on an speedy tacklint interceptor back before there were cpu rigs and it worked greatly.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#508 - 2016-08-25 16:24:06 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
The Proc has such an insane tank already on the hull and you can just use all the mids for utility it has become my favorite scout and loot ship by far. The only thing that I am missing is a second Highslot and the cpu/power to fit an expanded probe launcher. Looks like it may even get that second high slot, so I am looking forward to this patch.

Have you considered using a cap booster for instant onlining of several modules?
I used this on an speedy tacklint interceptor back before there were cpu rigs and it worked greatly.

Never even thought about that. What a nice idea Lol thx sol
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#509 - 2016-08-25 16:27:13 UTC
Can also just dump out a depot for infinite refitting - only down-side is the 60 second delay.

And you can always hope somebody will shoot it and go suspect...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Lawrence Lawton
The Lawton School for Pubbies Who Can't Mine Good
Novus Ordo.
#510 - 2016-08-25 16:59:17 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
Lawrence Lawton wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Not to get into a big debate, but it is what I would say from my long term observation is the number of characters that CODE / Miniluv could get together to gank miners without killing themselves cost wise and having to move people around in order to gank Skiffs. This would enable them to routinely gank Skiffs, you might disagree with this assessment or you might not, but I have looked at CODE / Miniluv ganker over an extended period and have a good idea what they can routinely do.

The current level of max tanked Skiff is a stretch for them and to be blunt I think it is about right. For example my Skiff in a 0.6 system is about 14 Catalysts which I know they could do if they really wanted to. Would be less if going for the EM hole as Lawrence indicated earlier.

Does that help?


You're very observant. Traditionally, we have not attacked Skiffs and Procurers. There are a few reasons:
- The wealth of softer targets available to the solo Agent or pair of Agents
- By tanking their ships (by choosing tanky ones) they are following the Code to some extent
- When you have a fleet big enough to take down Skiffs, you could gank juicy freighters instead
Lately we have decided that Skiff pilots need some attention, since there are so many of them who feel immune to the Code and publicly flaunt their non-compliance. We feel that by attacking their last bastion of perceived safety, we will further demoralize the non-compliant miners.



You need to get a life.


You need to get a Permit.
Mining indulgences may be purchased for 10 million isk per character, and are good for one year, subject to forfeiture.
Highsec is worth saving. Support us in our cause of saving highsec from bots and bot aspirants.
Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#511 - 2016-08-30 05:04:55 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Drago Shouna wrote:
You need to get a life.
Says the guy insulting him on an internet video-game forum... Roll

says the person who cares enough to comment on a comment on a video game forum.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#512 - 2016-08-30 11:53:52 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Drago Shouna wrote:
You need to get a life.
Says the guy insulting him on an internet video-game forum... Roll

says the person who cares enough to comment on a comment on a video game forum.

Well there is commenting...

Then there is insulting...

And then there is telling someone to "get a life" while demonstrating that you have none yourself...



I try to limit myself to the first 2. If you can't tell the difference, that is your own problem.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Solecist Project
#513 - 2016-08-30 12:02:48 UTC
y'all done now?

Could we please start doing something effective against idiots and their abuse of free speech?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#514 - 2016-08-30 16:24:13 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
y'all done now?

Could we please start doing something effective against idiots and their abuse of free speech?

Abuse of free speech? There is no such thing.
Andrea Cemenotar
Elena Minasse Operations
#515 - 2016-08-30 17:17:30 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
y'all done now?

Could we please start doing something effective against idiots and their abuse of free speech?


"abuse of free speech" it sounds so weird I like that statement lol
Lisbeth Riraille
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#516 - 2016-09-01 18:14:00 UTC
Sheesh, it took me all day to wade through Balsac's thread!

Are they nerfing the base EHP of Skiffs and Procs soon?

I'm a miner, and I choose tank over yield when I'm fitting my pod. My second bit of fitting is to wrap my pod in a Skiff or a Proc. Then I know I'm well on my way to being gank-resistant.

Thirdly, I fit modules and whatnot that increase my tank and ability to align quicker, maybe, anything that doesn't interfere with my tank.

The first thing I do to avoid getting ganked though is to wrap my pod in null. Hisec's rubbish.
Arcelian
Nam Imperii
#517 - 2016-09-02 01:40:28 UTC
One thing that always bugged me was that the Hulk, even though it required far more attention and support than the Skiff/Mackinaw. only performed marginally better. It at least it had one more miner so it was less likely to over mine.

Now it still only marginally performs better than the mackinaw, but does seriously do better than a skiff.

But, it's not enough.

You will still rarely ever see Hulks, because a whopping extra 3.5m3 per second is not enough to make someone choose a Hulk over a Mackinaw. Especially now that it is reduced to only two miners.

Overall, not real happy over these changes. Hulk still sucks.
Ded Akara
Doomheim
#518 - 2016-09-03 15:04:07 UTC
I inspected the new exhumer changes on the test server.

So the mackinkaw no longer has a role bonus? It looks very odd. Hulk and Skiff both have the role bonus attribute and the mackinkaw does not, like it's out of place and missing something.

So,

Hulk gets extra mining range, extra addiitional mining yield from basic bonuses and 25% yield boost from role bonus.

Skiff gets shield HP and small yield bonus from basic bonuses and 50% drone damage/hp from role bonus. (not to mention BS level hitpoints).

Mackinaw gets ore hold capacity and small yield bonus from basic bonuses and NO ROLE BONUS.

This only highlights how much the Mackinkaw sucks. Hulk now mines 30% faster than the Mack whist the Skiff mines faster than the Mackinkaw because the Skiff is free to fit 3x harvester/mining upgrades and still able to fit a sick T2 tank and not worry about ganking. The mackinkaw can only achieve this yield the skiff has if the mackinkaw fits 3x harvester/mining upgrades, but to do this, the mackinkaw has virtually no CPU left to fit some tank to the mid slots.

The triple mining upgrade fit mackinkaw with a 3% cpu implant has only 51.9 cpu left with all mid slots empty. That's enough CPU to fit 1 T2 harder and leave the other 3 slots empty. It's not even enough CPU for 2 faction hardeners, still leaving 2 slots empty.

Meanwhile the triple mining upgrade fit skiff can fit a full T2 tank, using all of its midslots. When you consider the skiff also has 3 times more shield, armor and structure hitpoints than the Mackinkaw and is also able to fit a full tank on a yield fit you can see why the Skiff is the far superior ship. (imbalanced).

Solution? Well the obvious solution is to give the Mackinkaw a good CPU boost so it can actually use it's slots without having to fit a co-processor. Alternatively you can decrease the CPU on the Skiff. Or a bit of both. I hear the Hulk suffers from the same CPU issues as the mackinkaw, so perhaps both of these ships need a CPU boost.
Arcelian
Nam Imperii
#519 - 2016-09-03 15:36:51 UTC
Ded Akara wrote:
I inspected the new exhumer changes on the test server.

So the mackinkaw no longer has a role bonus? It looks very odd. Hulk and Skiff both have the role bonus attribute and the mackinkaw does not, like it's out of place and missing something.

So,

Hulk gets extra mining range, extra addiitional mining yield from basic bonuses and 25% yield boost from role bonus.

Skiff gets shield HP and small yield bonus from basic bonuses and 50% drone damage/hp from role bonus. (not to mention BS level hitpoints).

Mackinaw gets ore hold capacity and small yield bonus from basic bonuses and NO ROLE BONUS.

This only highlights how much the Mackinkaw sucks. Hulk now mines 30% faster than the Mack whist the Skiff mines faster than the Mackinkaw because the Skiff is free to fit 3x harvester/mining upgrades and still able to fit a sick T2 tank and not worry about ganking. The mackinkaw can only achieve this yield the skiff has if the mackinkaw fits 3x harvester/mining upgrades, but to do this, the mackinkaw has virtually no CPU left to fit some tank to the mid slots.

The triple mining upgrade fit mackinkaw with a 3% cpu implant has only 51.9 cpu left with all mid slots empty. That's enough CPU to fit 1 T2 harder and leave the other 3 slots empty. It's not even enough CPU for 2 faction hardeners, still leaving 2 slots empty.

Meanwhile the triple mining upgrade fit skiff can fit a full T2 tank, using all of its midslots. When you consider the skiff also has 3 times more shield, armor and structure hitpoints than the Mackinkaw and is also able to fit a full tank on a yield fit you can see why the Skiff is the far superior ship. (imbalanced).

Solution? Well the obvious solution is to give the Mackinkaw a good CPU boost so it can actually use it's slots without having to fit a co-processor. Alternatively you can decrease the CPU on the Skiff. Or a bit of both. I hear the Hulk suffers from the same CPU issues as the mackinkaw, so perhaps both of these ships need a CPU boost.


Where are you seeing that the Hulk mines 30% faster than the Mack? Would have to find the thread, but the changes have made the Mack closer to Hulks yield than ever before, unless I'm ******** and misunderstanding something. It was literally only a 3.5m3 per second difference.