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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#41 - 2016-07-26 12:26:29 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
You all are telling me:

- This alliance plays in almost exclusively High Security

- They can use a 10 mil ship to kill a 280 mil ship easily

- They can decide targets and kill them with no risks and no problem.

Statistic says:

- They killed about 30 trillions of ships and lost about 1 trillion of ships value.

- They did it with a 74% or solo ratio.

I think all of this deserves an answer from a Developer, if Falcon or not it's the same, I've read he was a pirate so I suppose he knows the reasons better than anyone else ( maybe he was in that alliance too, I really don't know).


The answer is simple.

They target the greedy and stupid in highsec.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#42 - 2016-07-26 12:26:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
I'm not receiving any answer from the developer, I saw him posting so I hoped for an answer.


You would be better off doing a thread on Reddit to be honest.

PS Ignore baltec1, he was whining the other day about it not being profitable to gank T2 fitted mining ships Roll And his posts are designed to be insulting to get you to react but he will never be moderated.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#43 - 2016-07-26 12:41:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
You all are telling me:

- This alliance plays in almost exclusively High Security

- They can use a 10 mil ship to kill a 280 mil ship easily

- They can decide targets and kill them with no risks and no problem.

Statistic says:

- They killed about 30 trillions of ships and lost about 1 trillion of ships value.

- They did it with a 74% or solo ratio.

I think all of this deserves an answer from a Developer, if Falcon or not it's the same, I've read he was a pirate so I suppose he knows the reasons better than anyone else ( maybe he was in that alliance too, I really don't know).

You're just fishing for a comment to confirm your own bias, or to be outraged over.

The efficiency of CODE isn't achieved alone. It requires people to do stupid things. Unfortunately, lots of people do those stupid things, so really they get the consequence they walk into. Those people are every bit as involved in CODE's success as CODE is.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#44 - 2016-07-26 12:43:30 UTC
Well, I'm wondering what's in the Kool Aid at this point.

Why the high ratio of success?
They scan their targets. They know their fits. They know their routes. They plan accordingly. They organize.
They control when and where the fight happens.
So the end result is predictably one sided.
The autopiloting badger loses to the catalyst the moment the cat opens fire. it's already been decided because the defensive measures the badger could have taken have not been taken.

You can't really compare it to lowsec FW, it's a whole different animal.
You don't need a dev to tell you this, hell, you shouldn't even need me to tell you this.
It's not unfair, and to be honest any kind of passive aggressive defense of derps who're too busy watching netflix or pr0nhub is not merited.

They win because of stupid, lazy and greedy.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#45 - 2016-07-26 12:44:02 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
You all are telling me:

- This alliance plays in almost exclusively High Security

- They can use a 10 mil ship to kill a 280 mil ship easily

- They can decide targets and kill them with no risks and no problem.

Statistic says:

- They killed about 30 trillions of ships and lost about 1 trillion of ships value.

- They did it with a 74% or solo ratio.

I think all of this deserves an answer from a Developer, if Falcon or not it's the same, I've read he was a pirate so I suppose he knows the reasons better than anyone else ( maybe he was in that alliance too, I really don't know).


The answer is simple.

They target the greedy and stupid in highsec.

Dont be so sure about that.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#46 - 2016-07-26 12:44:24 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
but he will never be moderated.


That's because I post realities and don't insult people.
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2016-07-26 12:44:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucy Lollipops
I'm pretty new to the game, only about half a year.

I tried wh exploration the most, some fw, and some mining, mostly hisec and some gas wh huffing.

Game mechanics are quite balanced for what I saw so far.

So I was pretty curious about this very weird ratio and even more curious because I saw players from this alliance being very hard ( I called them even racists ) when writing on forums.

If they have so big advantages from the players they kill ( and it's the only thing they do when playing ) why they keep insulting them?

They should be so happy for the chance they have.

This made me extremely curious, this it the reason I would like to know a Game Developer opinion about it.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#48 - 2016-07-26 12:45:25 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:

They are successful in destroying large amounts of ISK because people in highsec carry valuable cargo in under tanked and under supported haulers and/or under tanked, expensive ships.

They target high value kills and find plenty of them because people make choices to provide them with a lot of suitable targets.

In other areas of space (and other people in highsec too) are more careful with the risk they expose themselves to.

+1

The above is as obvious and plain as the nose on your avatars face. And using the very simple tactics and awareness the rest of New Eden that isn't high sec forces you to use, it's very easy to live in high sec and suffer no losses to groups like CODE. My own losses to CODE are summed up as "1 shuttle and 2 pods", even after spending years running missions in a Deadpsace fit Machariel.

But if you explain this to many a high sec player, you won't just get ignored, you will get active resistance at the very idea. "I'm in HIGH SECURITY SPACE!!" They exclaim. "These people shouldn't be able to do what they do in the 1st place!" they whine. "CCP hates my play style!" they cry.

Being ignorant and unaware of your situation while at the same time playing a video game and progressing is not a "play style" btw. Afk haulers and miners are progressing while afk btw, this is the un-discussed root of the entire problem in high sec, it's the real reason why CODE exists, the people who started CODE mask their efforts behind a vale of "we want tears" and "we are doing this for your own good", but the real reason for CODE is it gives people a avenue to strike out against and punish the kinds of people who come in to the game and treat it like it's other MMOs, like the game/CCP/the community 'owes them something'.

I figured that out within 5 minutes of talking to a friend of mine in CODE, yet the vast swath of high sec players have never gotten so much as a glimmer of the truth. Oh well, that's just proof that you can't fix stupid.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2016-07-26 12:45:40 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:


A game developer that did pvp can surely tell me why they are so much better than others on the statistics I think.


There are three kinds of lies.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Also, Falcon isn't a dev (that I am aware of) he's the community manager.

Finally, you've been give the reason in the apparent discrepancy. CODE specifically targets very expensive targets in very cheap ships. See here's the rub - the amount of ISK required to kill a freighter doesn't change if the value of the freighter's cargo changes. The "investment" if you will remains more or less constant, while the "return" on that investment (at least in terms of kb stats) can vary wildly.

Take this kill. 30 Talos, all in with fittings, is probably 2.5 billion. That's a ratio of roughly 7 to 1.

The reason you don't see the same sort of figures for other alliances is because they have other activities, such as sov war, that are usually much closer to a 1 to 1 ratio in terms of ISK destroyed versus ISK lost. CODE avoids all that drag on their KB efficiency. The occasional juicy pod also helps push that ratio even higher. This one was roughly 27 to 1.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#50 - 2016-07-26 12:45:42 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:

Dont be so sure about that.


Equally they are not a profit making organisation, they are more like terrorists.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#51 - 2016-07-26 12:46:52 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
but he will never be moderated.


That's because I post realities and don't insult people.


You insult people all the time, you just post it in such a way that you get given the benefit of the doubt all the time.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#52 - 2016-07-26 12:50:49 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
You all are telling me:

- This alliance plays in almost exclusively High Security

- They can use a 10 mil ship to kill a 280 mil ship easily

- They can decide targets and kill them with no risks and no problem.

Statistic says:

- They killed about 30 trillions of ships and lost about 1 trillion of ships value.

- They did it with a 74% or solo ratio.

I think all of this deserves an answer from a Developer, if Falcon or not it's the same, I've read he was a pirate so I suppose he knows the reasons better than anyone else ( maybe he was in that alliance too, I really don't know).


The answer is simple.

They target the greedy and stupid in highsec.

Dont be so sure about that.


Pilots of empty frieghters can also be stupid. Many follow the stupid line of thinking of "oh, my frighten is safe because it's empty, i will just auto-pilot it back to jita, no one will bother it.

That's stupid thinking because it violates the simple rule of "if it's in space it's vulnerable, so don't ever fly what you can't afford to lose".
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#53 - 2016-07-26 12:50:55 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
but he will never be moderated.


That's because I post realities and don't insult people.


You insult people all the time, you just post it in such a way that you get given the benefit of the doubt all the time.


If I don't get moderated but you do its more likely you are the one causing the problems. I have exactly zero influence over the mods around here other than possibly having had a pint and a chat with them at some point.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#54 - 2016-07-26 12:52:04 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:

Dont be so sure about that.


Equally they are not a profit making organisation, they are more like terrorists.

Terrorism is not about targeting greedy and stupid. Its about spreading fear and terror, hence the term Terrorism. Please be exact next time and post they are just terrorists.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#55 - 2016-07-26 12:55:43 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
but he will never be moderated.


That's because I post realities and don't insult people.


You insult people all the time, you just post it in such a way that you get given the benefit of the doubt all the time.


If I don't get moderated but you do its more likely you are the one causing the problems. I have exactly zero influence over the mods around here other than possibly having had a pint and a chat with them at some point.


Yes that one, its enough..., but actually I have a major suspicion about who you really are, if that is true you really ought to be more careful.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#56 - 2016-07-26 12:57:32 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
I'm not receiving any answer from the developer, I saw him posting so I hoped for an answer.


as someone already stated: the answer to your questions is in the thread. The problem seems IMO that you do/did not really understand what Code is.

So, no use for a dev wasting his time.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#57 - 2016-07-26 12:57:58 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:

Dont be so sure about that.


Equally they are not a profit making organisation, they are more like terrorists.

Terrorism is not about targeting greedy and stupid. Its about spreading fear and terror, hence the term Terrorism. Please be exact next time and post they are just terrorists.


Assassins of Joy?
Punishers of the Inattentive?
Darwin's Stinky Pinky?
"You done goofed"?

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#58 - 2016-07-26 12:58:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


If I don't get moderated but you do its more likely you are the one causing the problems.


No No No, it must be some conspiracy!!!! That's the only thing that explains it! Big smile
Max Fubarticus
Raging Main
Bullets Bombs and Blondes
#59 - 2016-07-26 12:59:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Fubarticus
"Now, imagine an enemy who's sole joy in life is to make others miserable. Their entire raison d'etre is to cause as much damage as possible, while losing as little as possible. That's CODE right now. Their enjoyment from the game comes from the little cereal box badges of honor they get when they gank someone, the Killmails, and the strife they cause to other people's EVE experience. The more tears and rage they cause, the more success they have as a ganker."


lol

The "cereal box badge of honor" is funnyBig smile

It left me visualizing a player/ganker opening a loot container and exclaiming "WTS! all that effort and all I get is a stupid decoder ring"

Thanks for the laugh with my morning coffeeBig smile

Max

Civil discourse is uniquely human. After all, when is the last time a pride of lions and a herd of water buffalo negotiated SOV over a watering hole? Never. Someone either gets their ass kicked or eaten. At the end of the day someone holds SOV.
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#60 - 2016-07-26 13:00:21 UTC
embrel wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
I'm not receiving any answer from the developer, I saw him posting so I hoped for an answer.


as someone already stated: the answer to your questions is in the thread. The problem seems IMO that you do/did not really understand what Code is.

So, no use for a dev wasting his time.


I don't think a Developer is wasting time when giving and answer to a question (unless it's an incredibly stupid question, but here isk numbers are so incredibly huge and the ratio is so incredibly high I think the question is not stupid).