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A question to CCP Falcon

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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#21 - 2016-07-26 11:31:26 UTC
Eladanus wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:


I was referring to ratios/solo compared to other top pvp alliances.




CODE. isn't like other top pvp alliances that you'll see listed on there. CODE. are primarilly just a high-sec alliance that specialise in killing solo miners and haulers, using small ships to kill expensive targets.

The other alliances on the top 10 list, including Goonswarm, Pandemic Legion, Test, etc. are all low-sec or null-sec alliances that don't fight solo. Instead, they fight groups of 20+ against eachother, all in expensive cruisers, HACs, battleships and capital ships. These cost more and they lose more, meaning that thier kill:loss ratio won't be as good, and their solo numbers will be comparatively lower.

You forgot a 0 or two in your fleet sizes there...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Erebus Vain
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2016-07-26 11:32:57 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Erebus Vain wrote:
Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:
1.) If you enter a "fair" fight
2.) You've done it wrong.
3.) ???
4.) Profit!



"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck." - John Steinbeck



All other alliances have totally different ratios playing gang ( that should be much more effective), I don't think their tactic suck.

Game developers develope the game, so they are surely the best ones that can interpretate and give me an answer.

And CCP Falcon was a pvper if I am correct so he's the best person that can give me an answer gamewise.


This wasn't a comment on your post as much as a complimentary comment to the other person comment. Although the statement is still true and stands up in any situations where tactics are involved against an opponent.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#23 - 2016-07-26 11:33:02 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
I think you will have to get more proof for accusations. Now its just a rumor mongering and thread will be closed.

Nobody has made any "accusations" that I am aware of...?

Or are you saying they aren't even killing real players, a certain CCP employee who I'm not going to name here (because you all keep saying his name) is spawning npc freighters for them? That seems rather unlikely...

Not spawning freighters.
If certain alliance would get special treatment as to get data for their operations, from CPP developer, that would be something different however.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#24 - 2016-07-26 11:36:49 UTC
Is it a full moon at the moment?

Conspiracy theories now?

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#25 - 2016-07-26 11:41:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
This doesnt really need conspiracy theory, as it can be easily noticed that CODE was only exploiting the system to his advantage, something that Falcon is aware of, as is the rest of community. Falcon giving his vocal approval for such mechanics only provoked some player to direct question to him.

Ties from CODE to Falcon are yet to be uncovered if one wants to indulge himself into conspiracy.
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2016-07-26 11:43:15 UTC
Honestly think many answers are off-topic here.

I simply asked about the reasons of a so amazing ratio of 1:30 compared to other very different ratios for the other top pvp alliances, in particular seeing about a wonderful 74% of solo kills ( I'm studying fittings of FW players and the best solo ratios I find are about 40% and with not comparable ratios at all).
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#27 - 2016-07-26 11:45:23 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Honestly think many answers are off-topic here.

I simply asked about the reasons of a so amazing ratio of 1:30 compared to other very different ratios for the other top pvp alliances, in particular seeing about a wonderful 74% of solo kills ( I'm studying fittings of FW players and the best solo ratios I find are about 40% and with not comparable ratios at all).

I thought you are about to unveil something...

I am dissapointed. Sad

Not many scandals these days.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#28 - 2016-07-26 11:46:03 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
This doesnt really need conspiracy theory, as it can be easily noticed that CODE was only exploiting the system to his advantage, something that Falcon is aware of, as is the rest of community. Falcon giving his vocal approval for such mechanics only provoked some player to direct question to him.

Ties from CODE to Falcon are yet to be uncovered if one wants to indulge himself into conspiracy.

CCP Falcon's stance towards ganking was the same long before CODE came onto the scene...

I think you'd be better off sticking to complaining about the mechanics and not trying to craft devious conspiracy theories - they are just going to make you look like a crazy person.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#29 - 2016-07-26 11:46:31 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Honestly think many answers are off-topic here.

I simply asked about the reasons of a so amazing ratio of 1:30 compared to other very different ratios for the other top pvp alliances, in particular seeing about a wonderful 74% of solo kills ( I'm studying fittings of FW players and the best solo ratios I find are about 40% and with not comparable ratios at all).

FW is not highsec ganking.

You aren't going to get anywhere near 30:1 ISK ratios in lowsec. Everyone is there to fight and use far less valuable ships than people risk in highsec.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2016-07-26 11:49:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucy Lollipops
Nana Skalski wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Honestly think many answers are off-topic here.

I simply asked about the reasons of a so amazing ratio of 1:30 compared to other very different ratios for the other top pvp alliances, in particular seeing about a wonderful 74% of solo kills ( I'm studying fittings of FW players and the best solo ratios I find are about 40% and with not comparable ratios at all).

I thought you are about to unveil something...

I am dissapointed. Sad

Not many scandals these days.


No, I'm not unveiling anything.

I was partecipating and reading topics that were recently closed and I saw some of the harder answers were from players of an alliance, so I gave a look to that alliance ( I'm used to use zkill for searching fittings of the best solo FW players ) and comparing their ratios to other top pvp alliances I saw they are completely different.

So I'm asking the opinion of a Game developer that I've read was a pvper.

Nothing more, nothing less.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#31 - 2016-07-26 11:49:46 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Honestly think many answers are off-topic here.

I simply asked about the reasons of a so amazing ratio of 1:30 compared to other very different ratios for the other top pvp alliances, in particular seeing about a wonderful 74% of solo kills ( I'm studying fittings of FW players and the best solo ratios I find are about 40% and with not comparable ratios at all).

The ratio is because as suicide gankers they are able to pick their targets to maximize isk efficiency (when they want to). As they can't be in space without being shot, they don't sit out in space when they aren't actively attacking something - so you can't attack them unless you are lucky enough to catch one changing systems to get to their next target.

Therefore almost 100% of their battles are of their own choosing, and they have made (nearly) 100% sure of success before engaging.

This skews their killboard stats to a very positive ratio.

No other group in EVE is 100% devoted to suicide ganking in this way, so other groups have to rely on finding targets they can legally shoot and then engaging them on (more) even footing, risking losses on their own side as they do so. And the groups that minimize risk to get similar isk ratios (see some of the big wardec corps) take longer to get to those numbers, because they still have to wait for legal war targets.

Mystery solved.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#32 - 2016-07-26 11:51:40 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Honestly think many answers are off-topic here.

I simply asked about the reasons of a so amazing ratio of 1:30 compared to other very different ratios for the other top pvp alliances, in particular seeing about a wonderful 74% of solo kills ( I'm studying fittings of FW players and the best solo ratios I find are about 40% and with not comparable ratios at all).


It's amazing how one can rack up one's solo kill stats when one chooses squishy targets that can't shoot back.

We're not talking about 1337 peeveepee 1v1 at the sun gudfight style combat here. We're talking about hisec SUICIDE GANKING.

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#33 - 2016-07-26 11:56:43 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
This doesnt really need conspiracy theory, as it can be easily noticed that CODE was only exploiting the system to his advantage, something that Falcon is aware of, as is the rest of community. Falcon giving his vocal approval for such mechanics only provoked some player to direct question to him.

Ties from CODE to Falcon are yet to be uncovered if one wants to indulge himself into conspiracy.

CCP Falcon's stance towards ganking was the same long before CODE came onto the scene...

I think you'd be better off sticking to complaining about the mechanics and not trying to craft devious conspiracy theories - they are just going to make you look like a crazy person.

But I am a little crazy.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
#34 - 2016-07-26 11:59:54 UTC
OK, a lot of kills are on very squishy targets, like mining frigates, Covertors, Retreivers, Hulks and Mac's, all those can be taken down with one or two Catalysts, one if the person has fitted for yield.

The freighter ganks make up based on number of freighters x 3.5bn about 13% of the Goons entire ISK value in terms of kills, I did that calculation earlier today when speaking to a contact about Goons use of freighter ganking to make their killboard look more reasonable.

If you look at the ship ratio it is 57.7%, if you look at the ISK ratio it is 70%, that means that their actual ISk efficiency is really 63%.

And if you did that analysts with recent events you will find the goons are running at around 40% efficiency over the last year.



When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2016-07-26 12:14:34 UTC
I'm not receiving any answer from the developer, I saw him posting so I hoped for an answer.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#36 - 2016-07-26 12:18:02 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
I'm not receiving any answer from the developer, I saw him posting so I hoped for an answer.

The forum isn't a personal messaging service to CCP employees, nor is CCP Falcon the only person who can answer the question you asked.

There are several correct answers in the thread already.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#37 - 2016-07-26 12:18:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Dont you think that Falcon may be a little more cereful what he writes now, because he knows that his words will be used against him? Lol

And yes, he wouldnt really write something new.

Ok, so now I really dont have anything else to do, but reply on every thread in GD. "I need help" like someone else posted before me in a different thread... Lol
Yarosara Ruil
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#38 - 2016-07-26 12:22:26 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Honestly think many answers are off-topic here.

I simply asked about the reasons of a so amazing ratio of 1:30 compared to other very different ratios for the other top pvp alliances, in particular seeing about a wonderful 74% of solo kills ( I'm studying fittings of FW players and the best solo ratios I find are about 40% and with not comparable ratios at all).


Because CODE are risk adverse?

You can be risk adverse and still lose ships and ISK. Most of CODE has figured out the math on how to maximize their ganking attempts for maximum loss on the defender side with minimum loss on the agressor side.

They moan and hiss about the "one more nerf" narrative they got going now. Is it true? Not really, since CCP is beating around the bush to maintain the fragile ecosystem they have in Highsec. Highsec exists currently as a deterrent, so that new players are herded to the real game, that being either Nullsec, Lowsec or Wormhole space (despite CCP's past atempts to make life in there impossible). So technically, Highsec is not the real EVE experience. It's barely a tutorial level. Now we just have to convince the vast majority of the player base that this is the case.

Now, imagine an enemy who's sole joy in life is to make others miserable. Their entire raison d'etre is to cause as much damage as possible, while losing as little as possible. That's CODE right now. Their enjoyment from the game comes from the little cereal box badges of honor they get when they gank someone, the Killmails, and the strife they cause to other people's EVE experience. The more tears and rage they cause, the more success they have as a ganker.

This leads to untold levels of toxicity. To a ganker, a member of CODE, other players aren't part of a community themselves are part of. They are prey. Less than human beings. Pawns in their game to be exploited and disposed of, and watch them squirm as they are hopelessly preyed upon. For every heart warming story of how awesome this community is, there are a dozen untold stories about how low the community can slump into thanks to genetlemen like CODE. Their minerbumping site is a testament to how deranged they are in this roleplaying experience they engage themselves in.

The recently ganked Luxury Yatch with hundreds of injectors inside? There were people salivating at the potencial salt of such a loss. When the owner of the Yatch shrugged it off, people were flabbergasted. Robbed even, of the drama potential of a mental breakdown from this person.

I for one think that the existence of Killmails are the sole cause of this. No other game catalogues losses like this and allow for such ridicule and coveting of battle records. Killmails are a cancer, that motivate people to pursue no other goal in the game other than getting more of them, and their worth as players is measured in the amount of green they have in their records.
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2016-07-26 12:25:11 UTC
You all are telling me:

- This alliance plays in almost exclusively High Security

- They can use a 10 mil ship to kill a 280 mil ship easily

- They can decide targets and kill them with no risks and no problem.

Statistic says:

- They killed about 30 trillions of ships and lost about 1 trillion of ships value.

- They did it with a 74% or solo ratio.

I think all of this deserves an answer from a Developer, if Falcon or not it's the same, I've read he was a pirate so I suppose he knows the reasons better than anyone else ( maybe he was in that alliance too, I really don't know).
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#40 - 2016-07-26 12:25:24 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
This doesnt really need conspiracy theory, as it can be easily noticed that CODE was only exploiting the system to his advantage, something that Falcon is aware of, as is the rest of community. Falcon giving his vocal approval for such mechanics only provoked some player to direct question to him.

Ties from CODE to Falcon are yet to be uncovered if one wants to indulge himself into conspiracy.


Only thing being exploited here is other peoples greed and stupidity.