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Gary Webb
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2016-07-06 06:42:37 UTC
@CCP Larrakin,

Thank you for this terrible event. As well intentioned as it may have been, you guys have effectively excluded every person who has a job or anything less than 10 hours a day to devote to this event. If you hope for any type of reward, forget about the top 10 scores getting Super BPC's, you need to abandon all other aspects of the game and grind these tedious sites over and over with extremely unbalanced progression. This is not an equal opportunity reward system. There was a post on reddit that got it exactly right in that there is absolutely no risk for those running these sites but the rewards are insane if you grind enough. There is no luck of the drop on this one for accelerators (unless i've missed something) I unfortunately have to work a 65 hour week to make ends meet. Now im not sitting here trying to cry and say "ccp give me free stuff easily". What i am saying is level the playing field to those of us who cant spend 10 hours a day or more playing eve. CCP as a whole seems to be taking the mentality that those of us with jobs can afford to buy plex from them to get what we want in game. I'll be the first to say that i have already spent a tidy sum on plex when injectors came out and the likes. I love eve and have made many friends in game so it has been worth it to me but there has to be a line. dump the points progession system and make all the goodies random drops. level the playing field. thats all i ask. CCPlease
Cade Windstalker
#122 - 2016-07-06 18:35:42 UTC
Gary Webb wrote:
@CCP Larrakin,

Thank you for this terrible event. As well intentioned as it may have been, you guys have effectively excluded every person who has a job or anything less than 10 hours a day to devote to this event. If you hope for any type of reward, forget about the top 10 scores getting Super BPC's, you need to abandon all other aspects of the game and grind these tedious sites over and over with extremely unbalanced progression. This is not an equal opportunity reward system. There was a post on reddit that got it exactly right in that there is absolutely no risk for those running these sites but the rewards are insane if you grind enough. There is no luck of the drop on this one for accelerators (unless i've missed something) I unfortunately have to work a 65 hour week to make ends meet. Now im not sitting here trying to cry and say "ccp give me free stuff easily". What i am saying is level the playing field to those of us who cant spend 10 hours a day or more playing eve. CCP as a whole seems to be taking the mentality that those of us with jobs can afford to buy plex from them to get what we want in game. I'll be the first to say that i have already spent a tidy sum on plex when injectors came out and the likes. I love eve and have made many friends in game so it has been worth it to me but there has to be a line. dump the points progession system and make all the goodies random drops. level the playing field. thats all i ask. CCPlease


None of this is accurate, if you spend 10 hours a day on this even you'll have it done in a week.

Sites spawn plentifully in High Sec and if you're smart about hunting off the major trade lanes you can find piles of them in systems. I've been spending less than a couple hours a night hunting near Amarr and I'm on track for the Gold crate easily. Just grab a T2 or Faction Frigate or Cruiser and roam around High Sec and you'll find plenty of sites, which take a few minutes each to run, and net you plenty of points as well as the new Capital Components and Implants.

That said, if you can run WH sites, Incursions, rat in null with a good BS or a Carrier, or generally do anything that makes more than 40 mil an hour you're better off doing that. The Accelerators total up to less SP than an Injector, so this even is only really worth doing for the novelty, not for any economic or SP based reason.
Gary Webb
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#123 - 2016-07-06 22:00:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Gary Webb
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Gary Webb wrote:
@CCP Larrakin,

Thank you for this terrible event. As well intentioned as it may have been, you guys have effectively excluded every person who has a job or anything less than 10 hours a day to devote to this event. If you hope for any type of reward, forget about the top 10 scores getting Super BPC's, you need to abandon all other aspects of the game and grind these tedious sites over and over with extremely unbalanced progression. This is not an equal opportunity reward system. There was a post on reddit that got it exactly right in that there is absolutely no risk for those running these sites but the rewards are insane if you grind enough. There is no luck of the drop on this one for accelerators (unless i've missed something) I unfortunately have to work a 65 hour week to make ends meet. Now im not sitting here trying to cry and say "ccp give me free stuff easily". What i am saying is level the playing field to those of us who cant spend 10 hours a day or more playing eve. CCP as a whole seems to be taking the mentality that those of us with jobs can afford to buy plex from them to get what we want in game. I'll be the first to say that i have already spent a tidy sum on plex when injectors came out and the likes. I love eve and have made many friends in game so it has been worth it to me but there has to be a line. dump the points progession system and make all the goodies random drops. level the playing field. thats all i ask. CCPlease


None of this is accurate, if you spend 10 hours a day on this even you'll have it done in a week.

Sites spawn plentifully in High Sec and if you're smart about hunting off the major trade lanes you can find piles of them in systems. I've been spending less than a couple hours a night hunting near Amarr and I'm on track for the Gold crate easily. Just grab a T2 or Faction Frigate or Cruiser and roam around High Sec and you'll find plenty of sites, which take a few minutes each to run, and net you plenty of points as well as the new Capital Components and Implants.

That said, if you can run WH sites, Incursions, rat in null with a good BS or a Carrier, or generally do anything that makes more than 40 mil an hour you're better off doing that. The Accelerators total up to less SP than an Injector, so this even is only really worth doing for the novelty, not for any economic or SP based reason.


I feel you missed the point. The fact that that you can move freely in high sec is not so easy for all of us. im in a null alliance with an active war and we live in deep null. My risk in running these sites in high sec where they are more abundant is obviously much greater than yours. Also, Getting the gold crate or anything like that was not my major grievance. It was that the only people who will be able to be the top scoring in this even are the no lifers. I understand i could make more isk ratting (kind of), but new content is supposed to be exciting and accessible to all players and the fact is this even just isnt. Please take other situations than your own into consideration before saying im completely wrong.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#124 - 2016-07-06 22:08:32 UTC
Gary Webb wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Gary Webb wrote:
@CCP Larrakin,

Thank you for this terrible event. As well intentioned as it may have been, you guys have effectively excluded every person who has a job or anything less than 10 hours a day to devote to this event. If you hope for any type of reward, forget about the top 10 scores getting Super BPC's, you need to abandon all other aspects of the game and grind these tedious sites over and over with extremely unbalanced progression. This is not an equal opportunity reward system. There was a post on reddit that got it exactly right in that there is absolutely no risk for those running these sites but the rewards are insane if you grind enough. There is no luck of the drop on this one for accelerators (unless i've missed something) I unfortunately have to work a 65 hour week to make ends meet. Now im not sitting here trying to cry and say "ccp give me free stuff easily". What i am saying is level the playing field to those of us who cant spend 10 hours a day or more playing eve. CCP as a whole seems to be taking the mentality that those of us with jobs can afford to buy plex from them to get what we want in game. I'll be the first to say that i have already spent a tidy sum on plex when injectors came out and the likes. I love eve and have made many friends in game so it has been worth it to me but there has to be a line. dump the points progession system and make all the goodies random drops. level the playing field. thats all i ask. CCPlease


None of this is accurate, if you spend 10 hours a day on this even you'll have it done in a week.

Sites spawn plentifully in High Sec and if you're smart about hunting off the major trade lanes you can find piles of them in systems. I've been spending less than a couple hours a night hunting near Amarr and I'm on track for the Gold crate easily. Just grab a T2 or Faction Frigate or Cruiser and roam around High Sec and you'll find plenty of sites, which take a few minutes each to run, and net you plenty of points as well as the new Capital Components and Implants.

That said, if you can run WH sites, Incursions, rat in null with a good BS or a Carrier, or generally do anything that makes more than 40 mil an hour you're better off doing that. The Accelerators total up to less SP than an Injector, so this even is only really worth doing for the novelty, not for any economic or SP based reason.


I feel you missed the point. The fact that that you can move freely in high sec is not so easy for all of us. im in a null alliance with an active war and we live in deep null. My risk in running these sites in high sec where they are more abundant is obviously much greater than yours. Also, Getting the gold crate or anything like that was not my major grievance. It was that the only people who will be able to be the top scoring in this even are the no lifers. I understand i could make more isk ratting (kind of), but new content is supposed to be exciting and accessible to all players and the fact is this even just isnt. Please take other situations than your own into consideration before saying im completely wrong.

You're worried that you'll get shot at? That's probably one the best aspects of these sites.

They're plenty accessible, so long as you aren't worried about a little hostile gunfire.
Cade Windstalker
#125 - 2016-07-06 22:36:56 UTC
Gary Webb wrote:
I feel you missed the point. The fact that that you can move freely in high sec is not so easy for all of us. im in a null alliance with an active war and we live in deep null. My risk in running these sites in high sec where they are more abundant is obviously much greater than yours. Also, Getting the gold crate or anything like that was not my major grievance. It was that the only people who will be able to be the top scoring in this even are the no lifers. I understand i could make more isk ratting (kind of), but new content is supposed to be exciting and accessible to all players and the fact is this even just isnt. Please take other situations than your own into consideration before saying im completely wrong.


That's not a problem with the event design though, that's a problem with your war situation.

As to the "only the no-lifers can be top scoring" well what else do you expect? Is the event not worth doing to you if you can't get one of those top ten spots? Should time and effort spent into the event not be what decides the top spots?

You could always drop corp for the duration of the event, roll an alt and do the event on that, or any of a number of other solutions. It's just not practical to make an event that's balanced around someone whose play is being heavily restricted by their own choices.

If your complaint here is that Null isn't really seeing the content or benefits of this event then I'm generally inclined to agree with you, but mostly because the actual sites themselves don't seem to scale at all going into Low or Null. Not because someone in Null, with a war active, is going to have a harder time getting the overall event chain done.
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#126 - 2016-07-07 14:40:11 UTC
I like the event formula, would decrease the grind 10-fold and increase site duration/ rewards 10x as well. Throw in several battleship spawns (longer site run- more chance to get scanned and fight/ ninja loot), chance of a faction commander/ dreadnought to show up (even in HS), faction loot in the Vault to fight over*.....

*atm it's like "6 sites in system with a hostile in it, 2m isk per site is not worth the risk, let's move on"

Cade Windstalker wrote:
You could always drop corp for the duration of the event,
After a day of gringing those sites it feels like it's not even worth undocking for this event. Guessing Your experience is light years better.

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Cade Windstalker
#127 - 2016-07-07 18:07:28 UTC
Blade Darth wrote:
*atm it's like "6 sites in system with a hostile in it, 2m isk per site is not worth the risk, let's move on"

Cade Windstalker wrote:
You could always drop corp for the duration of the event,
After a day of gringing those sites it feels like it's not even worth undocking for this event. Guessing Your experience is light years better.


I think a large part of it is that the variation these sites introduce is part of the allure for me. It's fun just roaming around and plowing through NPCs as well.

I'm also doing these sites in smaller sittings to break up the monotony of other grinds that make me more ISK, not as a dedicated grind.

Personally I agree that there's plenty of room for improvement here, especially with the rewards curve and how they're distributed, but I think this general sort of event structure has a lot of potential.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2016-07-08 05:42:42 UTC
Jay Amazingness wrote:
would rather have a 5% web range bonus and a 5% bonus to effectiveness on the vanquisher tbh

I think that's being saved for the Bhaalvatar.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#129 - 2016-07-09 05:32:05 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Jay Amazingness wrote:
would rather have a 5% web range bonus and a 5% bonus to effectiveness on the vanquisher tbh

I think that's being saved for the Bhaalvatar.


Why would they get bonus that don't exist?

Blood Raider bonus are web range and neut strength.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#130 - 2016-07-11 07:13:15 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Gary Webb wrote:
I feel you missed the point. The fact that that you can move freely in high sec is not so easy for all of us. im in a null alliance with an active war and we live in deep null. My risk in running these sites in high sec where they are more abundant is obviously much greater than yours. Also, Getting the gold crate or anything like that was not my major grievance. It was that the only people who will be able to be the top scoring in this even are the no lifers. I understand i could make more isk ratting (kind of), but new content is supposed to be exciting and accessible to all players and the fact is this even just isnt. Please take other situations than your own into consideration before saying im completely wrong.


That's not a problem with the event design though, that's a problem with your war situation.

As to the "only the no-lifers can be top scoring" well what else do you expect? Is the event not worth doing to you if you can't get one of those top ten spots? Should time and effort spent into the event not be what decides the top spots?

You could always drop corp for the duration of the event, roll an alt and do the event on that, or any of a number of other solutions. It's just not practical to make an event that's balanced around someone whose play is being heavily restricted by their own choices.

If your complaint here is that Null isn't really seeing the content or benefits of this event then I'm generally inclined to agree with you, but mostly because the actual sites themselves don't seem to scale at all going into Low or Null. Not because someone in Null, with a war active, is going to have a harder time getting the overall event chain done.

Funny, much of eve is based around the more commonly found, casual player.

I personally believe the top 10 places for this event have already been filled, rewards won - But if CCP were honest and announced it, the event would be over and those slightly disappointed with it would become more so.
Wouldn't bode well for future event attempts. Then management of this one doesn't either so.. .. ..

"What else do you expect" - That would be, an event where everyone participating, from "no lifer" to "full time job and family" has the opportunity to gain the major "prizes". An event that doesn't punish those who actually run the sites by allowing any random who warps in to not only steal the often meagre reward but also gain completion points for the site.
I could go on but there is no point, the event wasn't designed to be anything other than what it is - A nice little time waster for the majority.

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Brave Collective
#131 - 2016-07-25 19:02:23 UTC
No carrier? What gives?
Cade Windstalker
#132 - 2016-07-26 18:54:59 UTC
I swear Ocker, that much salt in your body can't be good for you...Roll

Sgt Ocker wrote:
Funny, much of eve is based around the more commonly found, casual player.

I personally believe the top 10 places for this event have already been filled, rewards won - But if CCP were honest and announced it, the event would be over and those slightly disappointed with it would become more so.
Wouldn't bode well for future event attempts. Then management of this one doesn't either so.. .. ..

"What else do you expect" - That would be, an event where everyone participating, from "no lifer" to "full time job and family" has the opportunity to gain the major "prizes". An event that doesn't punish those who actually run the sites by allowing any random who warps in to not only steal the often meagre reward but also gain completion points for the site.
I could go on but there is no point, the event wasn't designed to be anything other than what it is - A nice little time waster for the majority.

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Anyways, seriously though, this event offers something for casual players and the more hard core variety. Those really pushing for the Super BPCs get a hard-core competition that they can min-max to the fullets, and everyone else gets the gold can to go for, which is totally doable as a casual player.

There's absolutely no requirement anywhere that says that absolutely everything in a game has to be open and easily available to everyone. It's also not terribly realistic, from a design standpoint or just from a practical one. If you restrict yourself like that you end up alienating your hard-core players who suddenly find themselves out of things to do, and you restrict your design space which means less content overall.

Also for events like this it doesn't mean that everyone earns a Titan BPC, it means no one does, they would just lop off that top god-tier of rewards and limit themselves to the gold can or something of the sort.

The can stealing I can understand the frustration with, and I kind of hope CCP fixes that in some way with the next iteration, but not the site completion. That's one of the best things about this event because it allows for formal and casual cooperation, and means people don't end up feeling screwed if they don't nab that last hit or whatever on a site they need for a task.

Really this whole thing just seems like not your thing, in a big way, and honestly kind of completely anathema to how you want to play, so why do you care so much? Not everything is going to be for all players, that's just flatly impossible, and if something is this far away from what you want out of the game experience then why just post to complain about it when the very core idea is something you dislike but others like?
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#133 - 2016-07-26 19:21:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Freelancer117
Hi Space Devs,

could you please invest resources on iterations for the stuff you already added, instead of chasing the new shiny Question

Regards, a Freelancer

edit ps: where is the T3 cruiser re-balance Pirate

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#134 - 2016-07-26 20:36:41 UTC
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Cade Windstalker
#135 - 2016-07-26 21:09:47 UTC
Freelancer117 wrote:
Hi Space Devs,

could you please invest resources on iterations for the stuff you already added, instead of chasing the new shiny Question

Regards, a Freelancer

edit ps: where is the T3 cruiser re-balance Pirate


They are and it's coming?

Seriously, it's not like they can't do both new stuff and old fixes at the same time.

Really this whole ship tiericide has basically been leading up to a revamp of T3 Cruisers as they've steadily changed *everything* else in preparation for those... kind of indicates what a monster they are really.