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why does it seem like CCP is castrating high sec content creators

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#641 - 2016-06-27 20:31:27 UTC
I apologize for CODE. being the most relevant alliance in EVE.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#642 - 2016-06-27 20:32:08 UTC
I am just enjoying watching them denying such a list exists.

Losing Sov and being crushed while losing it is relevant to hisec especially if they have a dedicated hisec operation that relies on certain mechanics. You see you can make your killboard rather green in ISK terms by ganking richly laden freighters belonging to enemy alliances and hisec carebears, its masks a significant level of front line ineptitude and loss. I did find it rather amusing that people had not worked out just how much the campaigns in hisec by the Goons over inflated their efficiency and hid the real numbers.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#643 - 2016-06-27 20:34:03 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
I apologize for CODE. being the most relevant alliance in EVE.


You mean Miniluv...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#644 - 2016-06-27 20:38:30 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
I am just enjoying watching them denying such a list exists.

Losing Sov and being crushed while losing it is relevant to hisec especially if they have a dedicated hisec operation that relies on certain mechanics. You see you can make your killboard rather green in ISK terms by ganking richly laden freighters belonging to enemy alliances and hisec carebears, its masks a significant level of front line ineptitude and loss. I did find it rather amusing that people had not worked out just how much the campaigns in hisec by the Goons over inflated their efficiency and hid the real numbers.


OMG, that is such a cheap shot.

Please, somebody pass me some klenex!!!!

Roll

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#645 - 2016-06-27 20:43:24 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
I am just enjoying watching them denying such a list exists.

Losing Sov and being crushed while losing it is relevant to hisec especially if they have a dedicated hisec operation that relies on certain mechanics. You see you can make your killboard rather green in ISK terms by ganking richly laden freighters belonging to enemy alliances and hisec carebears, its masks a significant level of front line ineptitude and loss. I did find it rather amusing that people had not worked out just how much the campaigns in hisec by the Goons over inflated their efficiency and hid the real numbers.


OMG, that is such a cheap shot.

Please, somebody pass me some klenex!!!!

Roll


Its the truth, and the truth hurts.

I must say that the current group of Miniluv gankers have it well and truly sussed, they are the best that I have yet seen.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#646 - 2016-06-27 20:50:51 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Of course he's on the no gank list. All high-ranking members of the illuminati are on the list!

Now shhhh!
Yeah about that, the February invoice for services rendered still hasn't been paid.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#647 - 2016-06-27 20:53:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Of course he's on the no gank list. All high-ranking members of the illuminati are on the list!

Now shhhh!
Yeah about that, the February invoice for services rendered still hasn't been paid.


Again trying too hard, its a list of characters that move freighters which Miniluv do not gank as they are blue, its pretty simple Roll

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#648 - 2016-06-27 20:57:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Of course he's on the no gank list. All high-ranking members of the illuminati are on the list!

Now shhhh!
Yeah about that, the February invoice for services rendered still hasn't been paid.


Again trying too hard, its a list of characters that move freighters which Miniluv do not gank as they are blue, its pretty simple Roll
Humour, try finding some.

On second thoughts, don't bother; it's much more entertaining for the rest of us if you carry on making yourself look like a witless fool.

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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#649 - 2016-06-27 20:57:45 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
It shows the benefit of using your brain instead of crying for nerfs.


I don't mine and am never in HS, so I don't really care one way or the other but out of curiosity does this same logic apply to the gankers and wardeccers who threw a collective hissy fit about the watchlist and bumping mechanic changes?
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#650 - 2016-06-27 20:59:09 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Of course he's on the no gank list. All high-ranking members of the illuminati are on the list!

Now shhhh!
Yeah about that, the February invoice for services rendered still hasn't been paid.


Again trying too hard, its a list of characters that move freighters which Miniluv do not gank as they are blue, its pretty simple Roll
Humour, try finding some.


He is too literal for a sense of humor.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#651 - 2016-06-27 21:03:55 UTC
Isaac Armer wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:
It shows the benefit of using your brain instead of crying for nerfs.


I don't mine and am never in HS, so I don't really care one way or the other but out of curiosity does this same logic apply to the gankers and wardeccers who threw a collective hissy fit about the watchlist and bumping mechanic changes?


Watchlist, absolutely.

I don't gank, I don't bump (at least not for ganking HS freighters), just wanted to get that out of the way, I'm less inclined to support the bumping changes as it is typically a result of bad choices. Bad choices should come with consequence. Minimizing the effects of bad choices is implicitly saying, "Bad choices are fine, keep doing them."

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#652 - 2016-06-27 22:17:46 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Of course he's on the no gank list. All high-ranking members of the illuminati are on the list!

Now shhhh!
Yeah about that, the February invoice for services rendered still hasn't been paid.


Again trying too hard, its a list of characters that move freighters which Miniluv do not gank as they are blue, its pretty simple Roll
Humour, try finding some.


He is too literal for a sense of humor.
Is he related to Drax the Destroyer?

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#653 - 2016-06-27 22:51:29 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:
I apologize for CODE. being the most relevant alliance in EVE.


You mean Miniluv...


gons = cod

Remember?

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#654 - 2016-06-27 22:55:02 UTC
Isaac Armer wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:
It shows the benefit of using your brain instead of crying for nerfs.


I don't mine and am never in HS, so I don't really care one way or the other but out of curiosity does this same logic apply to the gankers and wardeccers who threw a collective hissy fit about the watchlist and bumping mechanic changes?


The difference between begging ccp to nerf your enemy and begging ccp not to listen to your enemy's cries for nerfs would seem to be obvious.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Giaus Felix
Doomheim
#655 - 2016-06-27 22:58:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Giaus Felix
Dracvlad wrote:
you are just a big mouth in the forums who does not do much in game
You claimed that he is just a big mouth and doesn't do much in game earlier in the thread, thus insinuating that he is a worthless scrub...

Quote:
You are on the no gank list..
Yet here you are claiming that he has enough influence to make it onto the Goon/CODE. blue list.

Which is it?

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Beta Maoye
#656 - 2016-06-28 05:58:30 UTC
http://i.imgur.com/F2NHW.jpg

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John Volan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#657 - 2016-06-28 08:17:53 UTC
I think the reason most people are attracted to Eve is the variety of ways to play the game. Whether or not you agree or like the way other people play, it's a part of Eve itself to have so many different ways and taking any of them out would make Eve the worse for it. The last time I played CODE was just getting started and this exact same topic was front and center. I think that says something about the dynamic, that people still feel strongly about an old issue and care enough to keep arguing for and against it. That controversy and conflict is as much a part of Eve as anything else, the devs would probably call it "content".
Talon White
The White Smoke Company
White Smoke and Black Mirrors
#658 - 2016-06-28 11:28:42 UTC
Thought I'd just throw this in here.

Just how many are in Hi-Sec?

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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#659 - 2016-06-28 11:32:05 UTC
Bexol Regyri wrote:
I have only been playing eve for about 5 months and started out a high sec miner. One of the things that attracted me to eve was that it was pretty much what I expected of space from all the scifi books I read full of good guys and bad guys and that space is not a safe place. One of the things I found out right away was about 1/2 the players in space were not engaged in the game. There would be an ice belt with 30 people in it, but no one was really there. Their ships just mining away while they did stuff in real life. I almost fell into the same trap but then I met the pirates, as I later found out where called gankers in this game, mercs and griefers. At first I was like these guys are jerks to put it nicely. The more I watched them blow up people the more I realized they are forcing people to stay engaged in the game. At the same time I watched CCP make changes to hamper the high sec content creators and cater people to people that are not actively engaged while undocked. How does that help a healthy community?

so my question is why does it seem like CCP wants to stop or make close to impossible all non PVE highsec content when players have tons of in game tools avoid dying like d-scan, local chat, kills in system on map, etc...?

Content creators LOL

You gankers are just terrible PvPers who want some easy kills. Now you cry because it requires a little bit of effort to kill players in HIGH security space. Pathetic.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#660 - 2016-06-28 12:19:59 UTC
Algarion Getz wrote:
Content creators LOL

You gankers are just terrible PvPers who want some easy kills. Now you cry because it requires a little bit of effort to kill players in HIGH security space. Pathetic.
Yes, yes everyone is terrible. Unfortunately, your killboard disqualifies you as a judge of PvP quality given how red and sad it is itself. If the gankers are so terrible, what does that make you given how many times you have lost stuff to them? The answer: butthurt.

And when will this 'easy kill' meme stop? There is no such thing as an easy kill - there are just kills. If I want loot or killmails, why should I seek out 'hard kills'? And what would a 'hard kill' be? That doesn't even make any sense.

If there is any truth to that meme, it is that how easy a target you make yourself is almost completely determined by the person who explodes. If you don't want to explode, then don't let yourself be an easy target. You will likely find that more tenable a strategy for keeping your imaginary space assets safe than whining about how bad the other players are for exploding you when you have your let your pants down.

Eve is a PvP sandbox game where everything revolves around shooting spaceships. That is content. People who come up with or engineer reasons to shoot other players are the content creators. They provide reasons for explosions and the reasons to build stuff to facilitate those explosions.

This isn't a hard concept. I am not sure why we are still going over this 33 pages later.

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