EVE General Discussion

I don't give a **** about your kills. Weren't you telling us you don't care about kills? Which is it, you care or you don't?

As for baiting...it isn't a waste of time even if you don't kill him that in itself tells you something. That was my point and it went right over your head despite several attempts to dumb it down.

An AFK flag is bad as it is cheap intel. You should still have to do something to detect the person vs. having the game just hand you that information. Further, there is the issue of what does AFK really mean? If I am ATK but watching what is going on...amd I AFK? No. There is virtually no way for the game/client to determine if I am AFK short of having a camera on my keyboard/chair.

I don't care about killboards, I do care about blowing up some smug lazy git in a cloaky afk ship, to me they are the sweetest kills. Suggesting I am bad or don't know how to bait is rather meh.

OOOOH insults thats actually dumb, as I keep saying why does this game force me to waste time hunting someone when he is AFK, it is poor gameplay, that goes over your head too, it is not acceptable to me in game play terms to be forced to interact with someone who is AFK and don't know that I am wasting my time, especially as recent changes make it easy to create a skilled clean camper.

It is very easy to identify if someone is AFK, you simply have a timer on client action, once there has been no activity on that client for one hour an AFK flag is applied. If he does any interaction with that client apart from looking around what is on grid with him the AFK flag drops. CCP would need to check for bots. It is fecking easy, its works the same way as someone doing something with the client and having it applied to the server, and you are suggesting I am dumb...

Excuse me but I am talking about the environment as it has developed, and changes that would give a reason for better corps to form based on the value from the new structures, where is the change in game mechanics suggested there?

You are just replying by throwing what you think I said based on your own arrogance, and there was I thinking you were better than that. You are just another hollow HTFU idiot who is too up themselves to think OH I just got hit by have friends, typical loser Eve reply.

So come on where did I say adding more game mechanics on that post? I am talking about the new indy structures and the affects of the watch list change...

If I am sitting at my keyboard and watching traffic in the system...even though I am not interacting with the client I am not AFK. I am ATK, but your method would erroneously classify me as AFK.

And it isn't wasting your time if you learn he is AFK or just too damned afraid to engage.

With the monthly patches, CCP castrates everybody at some point. Your system of doing things, finely-honed and fine-tuned over many hours of work and many hours of careful contemplating-- suddenly becomes useless junk. 'The rain falls on the just and the unjust alike.' -Shakespeare or somebody CCP's random changing weather patterns, only thing to do is adapt, adjust, or shake your fist and get out.

I could even see people trying to find ways to abuse an AFK flag.

These changes to structures are already happening, all I am suggesting that CCP do with them is have a medium that can be taken down in very quickly, a Large and an XL that go past the 24 hours, but have more yield or other advantages, in other words something that takes into account the current structure of hisec, so yes that is mechanics, but something that CCP is already about to implement, so where are the changes in mechanics I am asking for?

Bad player in teh sense of what the HTFU people define as bad player, in other words those that make no or little effort to protect themselves. I know all about Red Frog and their offshoots, Black Frog being especially impressive.

Now you make a comment about sitting down and talking with players which is great, but the Eve forums is no place for people without the HTFU view, because they get trolled out of it, I will link you to a post: The language used by many posters to personally attack poster with other views is pretty bad. I am too thick skinned to be affected by this purile tactic, I don't need the respect of people I have no respect for, I just keep at it, try to talk nicely, blast back when they go over the top, I never report people being insulting and stuff because I believe in freedom of expression. I have had people who jump into threads to make personal attacks such as a CODE player.

I like you have been in many AFK Cloaky threads, having been heavily involved at times in dealing with this issue, and as I keep repeating its the issue around someone AFK and being impossible to interact with that is the real issue. Cloaks are fine as they are, so the AFK flag which can be gamed as you said is the way for me.

In any case this is not the thread for it and I will do a features and ideas post this weekend with my various ideas in it.

The point is it is not an accurate representation of being AFK. I thought this would be obvious to such a brilliant mind as yours...but I guess not. Then again maybe you are not as brilliant as you think you are.

Again, right over your head.

Of course, I shouldn't blame you. IMO, most people find emergence rather disturbing once they realize nobody is in charge. My thinking is that most people are not biologically capable of understanding emergent behavior in that for millions of years it was not the norm. For millions of years it was the family or the tribe. A small collective where it was easy for the person in charge to make sound decisions. But when you have 10s of thousands of people one person being in charge is not feasible. Even CCP is not really in charge, TBQH. Sure they could nerf the game to the point where emergence is no longer a factor, but that would also kill the game, literally. I'd unsubscribe instantly in that case.

We can bring in Malcanis' Law here...CCP should not be making the game better for any sub grouping of players it should just try and make the game better. If that means adding new structures...fine. But it should not do so to make life easier for small corporations in HS, nor any other group. It should just make the game better over all, and not worry about any single sub grouping of player. Let sub groups of players figure things out for themselves and they'll be fine.

What, that your attempt with a throw away line was wrong or using buzzwords, wow I am so not impressed, in any case another insult, all this twaddle about emergent gameplay makes me laugh, its like saying a complex word and thinking it makes you look smart. Look you even started with that stupid Malcanis law, and you know very well that the watch list change was because it was used to keep a watch on capital fleets which made use of Supers and Titans an end game escalation, now people are taking risks with Supers and Titans, which is great, but the knock on effect is the impact to Mercs in hisec who actually hunted. See CCP made a change to benefit one group, and damaged another, I told them how to use the chat and block to be able to see when people are online, but they are too lazy to do that as they like block war decs, so the mercs failed that test.

It is not a question of making it easier for corps in hisec, what I said about the medium Indy structure gives them what they have now if they do what they did with Citadels (7 days to pull it down) then that will make it worse for those hisec corps. But the L and XL which should have better bonuses requires that they are able to fight for it, that would make the game better by creating more meaningful hisec entities and like mining ship balance give people rewards for more risk and less rewards for better security.