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i honestly agree with this. the bittevet group has held this game and forced it to be as stagnant as possible so they can have their epeen. this is one of the leading factors that rise and fozzie (the main ones catering to them) continue to show and prove and fail at retaining and getting new players to stick around. seems they still cant figure out how to fix pve in this game and puts out a tedious effort to make a new feature fail upon arrival.

back to cloaky camping since well ccp cant and will never fix that.

Not wanting to burst the bubble of those saying "grr dailies, glad they are gone", but the next iteration of opportunities is just around the corner with the upcoming Serpentis event. If anything, CCP is removing the Thrill of the Hunt so it doesn't overlap with new batch of daily opportunies.

Intead of WoW dailies we're getting Guild Wars 2 title track rewards now. Let that sink in for a bit...

Glad to see this go. Honestly i dread what you guys have in store for future iterations.

To all the noobs worried about their sp. There are a thousand better ways they could give new players sp boosts without making you jump through hoops. The idea that you were closing the gap on vets is also a myth. Vets play just as much as new players.

OK, first let me say I disliked the Daily Objectives having a Skillpoint reward and I also dislike Skill Injectors being able to give characters more Skillpoints than they originally had beforehand.

Why ? Cause it bypasses the training time and veteran players can exploit it to quickly create specialized alt characters.

I don't mind and actually endorse having the ability to gain free Skillpoints from Daily Objectives and Skillpoint Injectors, as long as it's geared towards new player characters with low Skillpoints that's cut off after a certain amount of SP's has been gained..

Of course I'm talking about new accounts, not an empty character slot on a Vet's main account.



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I am a fairly new player and i just wanted to say that the main reason i was logging in and was motivated to start ratting was because of this daily, after i killed the rat i figured i might as well finish the site then when i cleared it i figured i might as well loot and salvage it all then when i earned 20-30 mil from 1 site i was motivated to scan down holes and find more and b4 i knew it i was playing all day.... i also heard they are removing the browser and i use that for tripwire.... sounds to me like they are taking out what i enjoy about the game so i wont be around much longer... this reminds alot of firefall and how they operated right before they tanked... thnx ccp

So I can see why you are getting rid of it, I personally hope it doesnt go away entirely. However I feel that the benefits from this experiment have shown some very big improvements in area's of the game that it wasn't geared towards.

I recently brought a new player into the game and that four hours of free training time per day for just getting in game was such a good thing for them. I dont know what you have planned for the future. but giving away skill points based on completing basic objectives like kill a npc would help make the new player experience so much better with such little effort. As some people on reddit said make the sp limit for getting the daily 5mil sp or something.

I can't stress how much of a difference this makes to new players.

As a fallow up thought along the same vein. Could we have micro skill injectors? So I can feed new players skills more cost effectively.

tldr. LEAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN FOR NEW PLAYERS. THE SMALL BITS OF LIQUID SP MAKES A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE.

Because dailies systems have no place in EVE.
Because dailies are one major reason why people get burned out on and quit games.
Because EVE not having dailies is one of the reasons why many players came to this game in the first place.
Because skillpoints should *only* come from the passive training system (the occasional SP gift from CCP for excessive downtimes being the only exception) - not from dailies, not from skill trading (but that's another can of worms)

CCP putting dailies in EVE was a misguided copy-cat of horrible game mechanics from other games, it should not have been implemented in the first place, they're doing the correct thing now by removing it.

I already mentioned my initial reaction to this, which is to say I'll go back to staying in station all day. I think it's worth elaborating on why that's probably a bad thing for everyone.

It's bad for me because I lose an opportunity to gain a daily boost to the one commodity that I value most: skillpoints. I have long maintained that the SP trading system is extremely poorly implemented and that I will never buy injectors because it doesn't make economic sense for me to pay for 500k SP and only get 150k SP. CCP gave me an alternative, and I loved it.

Every skill I train now generally takes weeks to finish. At an average training rate of 2500 SP / hour (I actually try to maximize for 2700, personally), 10k SP amounts to approximately 4 hours of training. That's 1/6 of the day. Over the course of a year, that's about 60 days of saved time. This is the sort of thing that keeps me interested for the long haul.

Now, some might argue that giving away a bunch of skillpoints for little effort somehow damages the game, but I want to know how that's so. These same people are the ones that want fights all the time. People who have more SP and feel more competitive are more likely to fight. Not to mention, those of us who wouldn't normally undock or ever present ourselves as targets were now doing so, at least briefly, every single day. Everyone in EVE gained an opportunity to blow up my stuff, claim part of my bounty, harvest my tears, and mock my fittings on a daily basis.

It seems to me that this feature gave everyone something and no one really lost anything because of it.

Now, with regard to the reason it's being discontinued, I fail to see why CCP doesn't simply shut down the game. The logic of the argument that people who weren't logging in still aren't logging in because of this feature holds true for every feature in the game. Frankly, CCP has no way to know if those people even knew about the feature. Not to mention, this wasn't the only change to the game that was made during that particular release. It might be that this feature would have brought more people in, but the other changes, on balance, made people stay away.

I log in every single day, but because I have been using EVE as little more than a chatbox for a long time, I don't really read patch notes or dev blogs, so I didn't even know about this feature until someone mentioned it in game and I asked for more info. If the ever-present yet casual players don't necessarily know about this feature, how could CCP ever expect it to change the login behavior of people who have probably forgotten about EVE entirely?

Perhaps CCP only looked at login behavior of active accounts. On this scale, I suppose I'm the exception. My second account is home to my EOH banker character, which I use infrequently. Another alt on that account is mindlessly training and never gets played. Since I found out about the daily opportunity to gain that training alt 10k SP each day, I have logged that alt every day. Once again, I give more people an opportunity to blow up my stuff and harvest my tears.

It seems to me that getting the people who are logging in to leave the station, even briefly, is a good idea. If this feature accomplished that, then it has done something all the other game features haven't. The cold reality that CCP needs to face is that some people aren't ever going to log in, no matter what they offer.

The only real problem I saw with this was that it made you kill rats for skillpoints. Which would negatively effect your security status by making it go up.

Which in turn means you have to gank miners to get your sec status back down. Lest people mistake you for a bear.

Some flaws with the idea.

1) It didn't account for people forgetting it existed. I did it twice during the time period, despite being logged in multiple times, simply because I completely forgot about it. Had I remembered or had a reminder, I might have logged in more often; Though, I would have only logged in to complete the challenge, then immediately logged back off, which isn't really a positive effect.

2) It didn't account for most of the player base being safe in HS. There's not going to be a lot of drive towards anything but blowing up an NPC ship in a belt with a frig as there was too much safety.

3) For those outside of HS, the rats are a bit more time consuming and, if you're in a pretty insecure territory, may not have been possible.

4) Fixing wardecs would likely solve a lot of issues with players no logging in.

5) Eve players don't take to kindly to feeling forced into something... We have a tendency to rebel... We're rebels.

6) Many of us get burnt out on the game from time to time... This may have just been a bad time of year to test such an idea.


Basically, for those of us who actually remembered that this system existed, there were still too many variables for such an idea to go off without a hitch.

All in all, I think we ALL want something more entertaining to do, as opposed to shooting a single rat.