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For new players its probably more around 6-8 hours (so a HUGE boost). Those that burn their remaps straight away and plan directly for those remaps might only save 4-5 hours.. But the biggest joy this would have had for "new" players is that if they save it up then they can "train" for the skills that they are mapped too, and then use these free ones on the skills that they are not mapped too. Early days you need to remap a lot so I would say the first two months or so players would benefit from this the most.

Perhaps "training" agents should give out sp/reward missions per day for new players.. Perhaps it could go down based on the days played.. 25k on day 1, 15k on day 30, 5k on day 60, nothing on day 90..

I don't know if you guys just didn't notice or what, but they fully intend on keeping this mechanic around. The second post from rise in this thread ends with

So again, it's coming back, just in a different way. All the people hooting and hollering about "being right that it wouldn't do anything" aren't exactly on the debate-winning side of the fence.

My guess is that they will make you work a little harder, and then maybe up the SP reward in correlation.
Maybe something like, your first mission of the day from one of the main factions will give you the SP. At first this seems just as dull and meaningless, but maybe it will be just enough motivation to fit up a ship for missions. I mean, sometimes I'm just too lazy to even look up a fit online, let alone gather the modules. But now there's an SP reward behind that first mission. I've completed it, but now I also have a ship completely ready to do this type and level of mission, the one I chose to do in the first place... maybe a few more wouldn't hurt for some extra money?

And with this method, you could even take it a step further, to varying degrees of player-base reaction, of course (I know I'll get hated on for even mentioning this, but I should remind you before you continue reading that skill injectors haven't gone anywhere, and already complete this goal in another way, so it's not like what I'm about to suggest is a new concept, just implemented in a different way). But, here we go: You could also make it so that only mission givers in hisec actually reward the boost. This does several things to the game, obviously, which I'll highlight the ones that come to mind easily next.

First is that this gives noobs (yet another) 1-up against vets. As most vets probably live in null, with a lot not having the security to come back to hisec, let alone the standing with agents to get missions, they're out of luck without a grind first. This sounds kind of terrible at first, but CCP already obviously likes this mechanic because as I said before, it is implemented even more helplessly via skill injectors. At least with this idea, they can choose to grind to come back and get their SP if they so desire. But I don't see that happening. Instead, noobs that don't know any better will feel like maybe they do have a chance to "catch up" to the veterans around the game, since even today one of the most prevalent questions from noobs is still "is it too late to play EVE"? Of course we know the answer is no, and we SAY no to them, but our answers fall on deaf ears. Obviously, an in game mechanic like I just outlined - that works in their favor is not just a word, it is a proof. They might finally get that feeling they have a chance, and maybe this is what they need. The feeling that they have something... anything... as a leg up. Something they can actually work towards, which even gets them to fit a ship and do a mission.

And this is a great opportunity to squash a certain other crowd of people that I know will reply with such: "Well, maybe now that we have skill injectors, we don't need yet another mechanic that helps noobs?" Well firstly and arguably, this daily was already doing exactly that since 10,000sp matters proportionally more when you have less sp to start with. But it does not end there. I personally think that skill injectors are the failure here, not the daily. With their massive cost, skill injectors are a fine wine that 90% of noobs, if not more, will never taste. And it's ironically hilarious, when you consider how they work for people with differing amounts of sp. But let's continue...

Second is that for people that don't have friends yet, it keeps them engaged with doing at least something in the game, that's more than killing a rat. It might poke their mind with intrigue at just the right amount to get the gears really spinning. It may give them them both the motivation and feeling that they can do this, and they might choose a career and start planning how they would do it. Figure out how much time they need, money, and feel like they actually have a chance. But, one more thing I can see people saying at this point, is that it might lock them in to highsec. Maybe they will feel like leaving that bonus behind just isn't worth it. I can't say I disagree, but I also can't agree.

First of all, if the daily is working (this time) and people actually play a bit more, they will have more time to meet someone they think they can trust. I can't remember how I met the first person I thought I could trust in EVE back in 2008, and that would be nice right now, oh well. But even if you're only new-ish, I'd still have to argue in favor of the daily. A lot of the people that know a bit more about the game, but still pretty new, might feel that skill points are the true limiter of what you can do (and they're right). This would help get them out hisec actually, not keep them in it. And what I think the best part is, is that this doesnt at all affect the time-proven advice to give any noob that isn't sure what they should do in game: join a corp! Take your newfound SP and do something for a corp, probably in low or null, and stop waiting for content to come to you. Because they even have a ship already fitted from missions, they can now get right to business learning about how much they hate fleet doctrines.

In conclusion, I think that on the surface this seems like just another gimmic that we would see from any other game. But when you think about it and dig deeper, because of EVE's nature, there are a ton of implications for when, where, and how you implement something. But this should not be new news, and that is exactly why I am confused about your decision making, CCP.

This and Overwatch!

For me, I was logging in more - but once the rats were killed and nothing was actually going on in-game i just logged off. Whilst i did enjoy getting 10k free SP per day, i think the actual issue for me not staying logged in was content.

I'm the more industrial type of player, with an interest in WH's and exploration too (yes, i've dabbled in pvp, FW and incursions) but for me, the areas i get most of my interest out of are just....*shrugs*... they're not keeping me logged in like they used to.

The first taste is always free...

I like the removal! To me it was an attempt to attract players by giving away cheap cookies which doesn't belong into EVE at all. Improving and creating exciting game content is the way to go to make players login and I hope all future efforts will focus only on that.

I also doubt that this was a real achievement: "We saw a pretty big bump in the share of folks heading out to kill something each day..." That bump above the average level of players who are "killing something" each day anyway doing PVE or PVP were likely the ones who were just flying quickly to a belt to get their daily cookie. Of course, everyone enjoyed the cookie but I doubt they enjoyed the way to get it.

And why should everyone be driven into the habit of "killing something"? There are a lot of players who like traveling, exploring around, mining, manufacturing, research, invention, trading, logistics, etc. - and if not always than at least in longer phases. Yes, the game is actually that good to found and enjoy a whole long-term career on not killing something. Don't touch that!

TFW highsec guy in a tax evasion corp talks about 'free cookies' being a bad thing.

QFT

No!
Thrill of the Hunt - Very Good

Really?

Cause when you announced it, you didn't say that.

"CCP: This was a bad Idea, lets spin this so it looks like an experiment"

"Every sensical veteran player: OH NO **** THIS WAS A STUPID IDEA!"


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