EVE General Discussion

As usual, no facts to support your claim, just an opinion that ganking hurts player number because that fits your personal view, so therefore must be true.

Well, CCP don't think so and they've tried to validate that view. They failed.

Except there are facts. They may not be on the order of experiments on gravity, but there are facts that show that ganking does not cause a significant loss of newbies.
The information released by CCP also doesn't show that ganking is actually good for the game of course, simply that it doesn't cost them players over other issues new players experience.

And I think it can be fairly said I'm on the other side from gankers about the current meta, but even I don't want ganking to go away, I just want it to become more fun overall for the ganked. And no, random anecdotes from someone saying 'I had fun from dying in 10 seconds' won't convince me it's a fun experience for most players.

Bumping Mechanics ... bwaaaa haaaa haaaa haaaaa!!!

CCP "has" (not "have"): If you're going to tell someone they're stupid, do it with proper subject/verb agreement or YOU look...right, stupid. CCP is A corporation - singular, not plural. It's not more than one corporation. TYVM Have a nice day!

Bumping Mechanics ... bwaaaa haaaa haaaa haaaaa!!!

PS If you're trying to justify ganking in high sec as "content creation" maybe you should be cas...(refer to subject line.)

The fact is what you just pointed out that being ganked in the first 15 days as a newbie has no impact on their retention. But suggesting that it does not show that ganking causes them to lose players over other issues I would sugest that you don't know that and neither do I. All I can go upon is the reasons people I know or met that left the game, which is of course rather subjective.

I am quite happy that there is ganking too and I agree with you that it has to be fun for both sides, that is why bumping had to be adjusted, if you came across people like I did who had been bumped for hours and were really annoyed at CCP you would say what you just said even more. The mining ships are fine now as people have choices while before they had the choice of ships that were all easy to gank. CCP will continue to have ganking and war decs, but it needs adjustment to get the right balance, from where I am sitting it is almost there.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5504176#post5504221

I'll stick with the validated views of CCP over the personal bias that must just be right because reasons approach. At least CCP offer statements based on evidence and not just tears.

NEW PLAYERS let me repeat it so you get it NEW PLAYERS and the data was on 15 day old max in their trial period. The only tears I have is from laughing at you trying too hard...

The problem is the griefing. What CODE does isn't nice but okay. But making a living on robbing other players should, IMHO, not be a vial option in High. These guys are especially targeting new and unexperienced player to rob them. And thats not good for the game. Within the first 15 day you don't have a great load carry to Jita but when you carry your collected stuff from last month grinding and it goes "Poof" to make some 10 year player even richer that's another matter. These people are collecting exactly from these people that can't afford to loose their stuff. If I loose 200M ISK cargo + ship it's just an, severe, annoyance for me. 3 Month ago it would have been a much more severe loss.
You are effectively loosing gametime because in every other game you may loose items but your SP are save, which you collected through grinding. In Eve you loose everything you earned through grinding cause you would have gotten the SP anyway. So effectively you lost all the game time.

What CODE is doing on the face of it is fine which is to try and dominate hisec and force those in hisec to act as they want them to act, behind that I am not so sure in terms of targeting of newer players or all that winding up that ends up on minerbumping, but I at least find opposing and shooting CODE fun.

I stood up and complained about the fact that all mining ships had the tank of a wet paper bag, once CCP realised that they had mucked up big and lost a lot of people, they did something and gave people choices, which is great. For me the mining ships are balanced because players have options. Now the only thing you see is gankers like baltec1 crying that their tanks are too tough.

I totally agree with people ganking to make ISK and while I can feel sorry for their victims losing all that work and also understand the issue of them seeing all their progress disappear and they go backwards in terms of development, one still has to question their attitude, there is truth in what gankers say in terms of complacency. Just earlier Aaaarrggg killed a Iteron Mark IV with no modules fitted with 864m worth of capital modules in it. Those players get richer because they know how to play very well and they farm players who do not have a clue and do stupid things.

Ganking for profit is fine, people need to take more care and play to be hard to kill, if they do not then they will be killed and lose stuff, just like that Iteron IV pilot did.

Geronimo McVain, I understand what you are saying but the prime importance in this game is to look after yourself, CCP has a duty to give players choices, which they had previously failed to do with mining ships, but sorted late in the day. Bumping is another one where CCP left it and then allowed hyperdunking that created a huge wave of loss, then they realised that it was too damaging and acted, again late in the day.

I came across a lot of people who used to play as miners in Eve when I joined an organisation in SC and 7 out of 8 said that they had left because ganking was out of control and they felt let down by CCP, all of them had stopped playing in the period when all mining ships had the tank of a wet paper bag. There was nothing they could do in game to be able to protect themselves and they left the game, CCP's error and it cost them. I know that the gankers wil say oh you are basing this on some people you met, blah blah blah, but evidence number 1 is that CCP gave choices on mining ships.

IMHO isn't the killing but the profit the real problem. Dotlan declared Jita the most violent System/24h. Within 24h the most violent non-High System would be on 6.
Many People are trying to make a living out of robbery and to do this you need extensive knowledge of the mechanics. Killing in Eve should be for the fun of it not to make a profit.

Its a game, some people do it because they can, some people don't do it even if they could, because they play a different way. I understand that you do not like people robbing others but just shoot them in the face or make it hard for them in game And if CCP make it too easy for them and don't give you any tools to make it hard for them then yell at CCP.

I am perfectly fine with people ganking for profit from other players, its a competitive game against other players. The only thing I get a bit short with is some of the over the top attempts to get undder the skin of people to make the rage and then show that to make them feel oh so superior, that leaves a dirty taste in my mouth. I have chosen to play the good guy or should I say that I have chosen to be what I see is a good guy, because one it is harder in this game and two because I prefer to play that way.

What I like about this game is that it is damn hard and mostly played against aggressive nutters holding all the cards, which means its a challenge...