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Was the destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor necessary?
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Rook Moray
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#141 - 2016-06-06 17:55:18 UTC
Cain Aloga wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
stiff-minded brainwashing. Their lack of reasoning. They stick to predefined ideas, imprinted into their brains by repetetive propaganda, rewriting same line over and over again


Please tell me I am not the only one that sees it?



You're not...I see it too...


GOONS ARE GALLENTE!!


Pirate

“When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.” -Guristas Proverb.
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#142 - 2016-06-06 18:15:28 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor was a terroist act and completely unecessary. How is this a hard question deserving this many pages of discussion?

Mr. Tuulinen....

You disappoint me GREATLY. . . by lack of argumentation to your opinion. Really, can you think it might NOT be a terrorist act? I considered you to be more.... you know, reasonable.

Have I ever told you why I hate gallente? Well, there are several reasons. And one, that prevents me to speak with most of them with respect is their, excuse me, stiff-minded brainwashing. Their lack of reasoning. They stick to predefined ideas, imprinted into their brains by repetetive propaganda, rewriting same line over and over again as they watch their holos, for example, that democracy is good, that freedom is good, without even realizing what stands behind these words. Have you ever tried to argue with gallentean about freedom or democracy? That's like talking to a wall.

Don't tell me you got hooked on propaganda too. Don't be like THEM.

I only believe in freedom for all races (yes Caldari too) and my hatred of the draganurs comes from the fact that they did start the war and all I want is peace nothing more.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2016-06-06 18:17:02 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
their, excuse me, stiff-minded brainwashing. Their lack of reasoning. They stick to predefined ideas, imprinted into their brains by repetetive propaganda, rewriting same line over and over again as they watch their holos, for example, that democracy is good, that freedom is good, without even realizing what stands behind these words. Have you ever tried to argue with gallentean about freedom or democracy? That's like talking to a wall.


I read this almost in disbelief at the level of irony here, but then I remembered one of my favorite quotes, from an ancient Gallentean statesman.

“Begin each day by telling yourself: Today I shall be meeting with interference, ingratitude, insolence, disloyalty, ill-will, and selfishness – all of them due to the offenders’ ignorance of what is good or evil. But for my part I have long perceived the nature of good and its nobility, the nature of evil and its meanness, and also the nature of the culprit himself, who is my brother (not in the physical sense, but as a fellow creature similarly endowed with reason and a share of the divine); therefore none of those things can injure me, for nobody can implicate me in what is degrading. Neither can I be angry with my brother or fall foul of him; for he and I were born to work together, like a man’s two hands, feet or eyelids, or the upper and lower rows of his teeth. To obstruct each other is against Nature’s law – and what is irritation or aversion but a form of obstruction.”

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#144 - 2016-06-06 18:21:41 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Cain Aloga wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
stiff-minded brainwashing. Their lack of reasoning. They stick to predefined ideas, imprinted into their brains by repetitive propaganda, rewriting same line over and over again


Please tell me I am not the only one that sees it?

I am sorry for that.
Of course, it shall be "repetitive propaganda", not "repetitive".

How ironic for you of all people to call anything repetitive.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#145 - 2016-06-06 18:32:24 UTC
Slayer Liberator wrote:

I only believe in freedom for all races (yes Caldari too) and my hatred of the draganurs comes from the fact that they did start the war and all I want is peace nothing more.

Both war 200 years ago and current war 7 years ago was started by gallenteans, and not by "draganurs".

For Maker's sake... really.... draganurs?... I spilled my coffee.


Slayer Liberator wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Cain Aloga wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
stiff-minded brainwashing. Their lack of reasoning. They stick to predefined ideas, imprinted into their brains by repetitive propaganda, rewriting same line over and over again


Please tell me I am not the only one that sees it?

I am sorry for that.
Of course, it shall be "repetitive propaganda", not "repetitive".

How ironic for you of all people to call anything repetitive.

Speaking about repetitions, how many times one shall repeat a thing to gallente so they finally will be able to understand it, eh?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#146 - 2016-06-06 19:04:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Slayer Liberator
The war 200 years ago was started in a misguided retaliation for the 500,000 civilians killed in Nouvelle Rouvenor and the one started 7 years ago was caused by the broker NOT admiral Noir.

as for the second part, until you get some therapy.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#147 - 2016-06-06 19:30:53 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Speaking about repetitions, how many times one shall repeat a thing to gallente so they finally will be able to understand it, eh?

I don't know. Keep trying, you might get through to us yet.... Roll

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#148 - 2016-06-06 21:25:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Repeating a falsehood a billion times doesn't make it any more true. Any multiple of zero, is zero.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#149 - 2016-06-06 21:42:20 UTC
Slayer Liberator wrote:
The war 200 years ago was started in a misguided retaliation for the 500,000 civilians killed in Nouvelle Rouvenor and the one started 7 years ago was caused by the broker NOT admiral Noir.

as for the second part, until you get some therapy.


Sorry, what?

There are reasons for thinking Noir was not truly in control of that event but where do you get The Broker from? Assuming he exists and isn't a tale mothers tell their children when they want them to grow up to be sociopaths.

I'm guessing you must be on personally friendly terms with the heads of half the intelligence agencies in the cluster to state that as a fact rather than a theory.

Anyway. What would he get out of doing such a thing?

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#150 - 2016-06-06 21:50:22 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
I spilled my coffee.


I have been told that 'we' invented coffee... aren't you being un-patriotic by drinking it?

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#151 - 2016-06-06 21:51:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Sorry, what?

There are reasons for thinking Noir was not truly in control of that event but where do you get The Broker from? Assuming he exists and isn't a tale mothers tell their children when they want them to grow up to be sociopaths.



Well, you never know. He could be real. And so could the elf who steals sausages from naughty children at Solstice.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#152 - 2016-06-06 21:56:36 UTC
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Slayer Liberator wrote:
The war 200 years ago was started in a misguided retaliation for the 500,000 civilians killed in Nouvelle Rouvenor and the one started 7 years ago was caused by the broker NOT admiral Noir.

as for the second part, until you get some therapy.


Sorry, what?

There are reasons for thinking Noir was not truly in control of that event but where do you get The Broker from? Assuming he exists and isn't a tale mothers tell their children when they want them to grow up to be sociopaths.

I'm guessing you must be on personally friendly terms with the heads of half the intelligence agencies in the cluster to state that as a fact rather than a theory.

Anyway. What would he get out of doing such a thing?


I know that from a... oh. well still I believe that the story that Noir was himself when the event happened is most likely propaganda and not the truth so i would not fully believe any particular story anyway.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#153 - 2016-06-06 23:14:36 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Sorry, what?

There are reasons for thinking Noir was not truly in control of that event but where do you get The Broker from? Assuming he exists and isn't a tale mothers tell their children when they want them to grow up to be sociopaths.



Well, you never know. He could be real. And so could the elf who steals sausages from naughty children at Solstice.

That elf is real. I almost caught him last year.... next time, elf. Next time.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#154 - 2016-06-07 02:14:19 UTC
I always knew Diana Kim was one of the very first early adopters of the Spinmaster 9000 from the multi-ISK empire of the Mittani industries, and this thread continues to prove it.

The Federation will one day feel the hellwrath of her war as she ~twists the knife~ into Caldari traitors who disagree with her shitposts.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#155 - 2016-06-07 05:46:34 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
I always knew Diana Kim was one of the very first early adopters of the Spinmaster 9000 from the multi-ISK empire of the Mittani industries, and this thread continues to prove it.

The Federation will one day feel the hellwrath of her war as she ~twists the knife~ into Caldari traitors who disagree with her shitposts.


We all secretly fear that she has the power to do this. To be honest, I believe our trolling is just a coping method for that fear....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#156 - 2016-06-07 05:58:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
I always knew Diana Kim was one of the very first early adopters of the Spinmaster 9000 from the multi-ISK empire of the Mittani industries, and this thread continues to prove it.

The Federation will one day feel the hellwrath of her war as she ~twists the knife~ into Caldari traitors who disagree with her shitposts.


We all secretly fear that she has the power to do this. To be honest, I believe our trolling is just a coping method for that fear....


She has just about as much power as I do. Make alot of noise, be bloody irreverent and be as relevant as a gnat on winter-time.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#157 - 2016-06-07 14:46:02 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
I always knew Diana Kim was one of the very first early adopters of the Spinmaster 9000 from the multi-ISK empire of the Mittani industries, and this thread continues to prove it.

The Federation will one day feel the hellwrath of her war as she ~twists the knife~ into Caldari traitors who disagree with her shitposts.


We all secretly fear that she has the power to do this. To be honest, I believe our trolling is just a coping method for that fear....


She has just about as much power as I do. Make alot of noise, be bloody irreverent and be as relevant as a gnat on winter-time.

Negative. She is Caldari, and she has a just cause. No way can she be defeated! We should all know better. If we know what's good for us we mindlessly agree to support her and never question her vastly superior intellectual capacity and the righteous nature of her cause again! Lol

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#158 - 2016-06-07 17:50:04 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor was a terroist act and completely unecessary. How is this a hard question deserving this many pages of discussion?

Mr. Tuulinen....

You disappoint me GREATLY. . . by lack of argumentation to your opinion. Really, can you think it might NOT be a terrorist act? I considered you to be more.... you know, reasonable.

Have I ever told you why I hate gallente? Well, there are several reasons. And one, that prevents me to speak with most of them with respect is their, excuse me, stiff-minded brainwashing. Their lack of reasoning. They stick to predefined ideas, imprinted into their brains by repetetive propaganda, rewriting same line over and over again as they watch their holos, for example, that democracy is good, that freedom is good, without even realizing what stands behind these words. Have you ever tried to argue with gallentean about freedom or democracy? That's like talking to a wall.

Don't tell me you got hooked on propaganda too. Don't be like THEM.

It was blown up by terrorists and it provided the UNats with a pretence to seize power and initiate the bombardment of Home. What ever you think of Gallentean society, culture and politics I really don't see how attacking that city could be called necessary.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#159 - 2016-06-07 22:33:42 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The destruction of Nouvelle Rouvenor was a terroist act and completely unecessary. How is this a hard question deserving this many pages of discussion?

Mr. Tuulinen....

You disappoint me GREATLY. . . by lack of argumentation to your opinion. Really, can you think it might NOT be a terrorist act? I considered you to be more.... you know, reasonable.

Have I ever told you why I hate gallente? Well, there are several reasons. And one, that prevents me to speak with most of them with respect is their, excuse me, stiff-minded brainwashing. Their lack of reasoning. They stick to predefined ideas, imprinted into their brains by repetetive propaganda, rewriting same line over and over again as they watch their holos, for example, that democracy is good, that freedom is good, without even realizing what stands behind these words. Have you ever tried to argue with gallentean about freedom or democracy? That's like talking to a wall.

Don't tell me you got hooked on propaganda too. Don't be like THEM.

It was blown up by terrorists and it provided the UNats with a pretence to seize power and initiate the bombardment of Home. What ever you think of Gallentean society, culture and politics I really don't see how attacking that city could be called necessary.

They are not terrorists, they are a culture preservation society.

Have you ever talked with any of them and asked them if they are terrorists?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#160 - 2016-06-07 22:48:43 UTC
Terrorists identify themselves as terrorists when asked?

Ugh