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Against most ratting/site running subcaps, 70k ehp is plenty. Very few of them can kick out the 1200 DPS needed to crack one before help arrives, not to mention things like ECM drones, which can reduce incoming DPS. For tougher stuff, you can use a T3 cruiser. At 150k ehp, an overheating, polarized void, augmennted Ogre shield Vindicator barely has the DPS to break it in time. That being said, the thing I'm advocating for is a delay, 60 seconds was a semi-arbitrary number that could get tweaked a lot.

When it comes to covert cynos, I think the time should be smaller, how much is probably dependent on what the normal one ends up being.

An inhibitor is completely cost prohibitive. 55 mil a pop for a 1-time use item.

The thing that would make this work well would be a local nerf. Only ships going through gates or undocking from stations get tracked. That way, no one would know about the BLOPS gang you just cynoed into a remote part of syatem, and rather than waiting for your cyno delay to expire, you'd just get tackle and wait for your gang to land from warp. Cynos would still have a ton of utility, but it wouldn't be the instant curb-stomp that it is now.

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the ships they are bridging/jumping through cost far far more than that

from what they said at fan fest CCP is already considering just adding the fatigue to the hull. if they go that brought all we can do is hope they have found solutions to the issues pointed out when they first brought up fatigue

Your talking about anom ratting in nulsec obviously..
You don't need cyno inhibs, ratting could not be safer - Intel channels, watching local, being in fleet - All help to make ratting in nul one of the safest ways to make isk.

Cyno inhibs were never designed to keep one guys isk machine safe, which could be why they cost what they do.
You want complete safety - Run missions in highsec.

you have to

A) get a cyno on feild

B) ensure the target can not leave b4 the cyno goes up and ships jump in

you then need to ensure that the fleet you just jumped in is protected from any counter drops or reinforcements while you wait out your fatigue and capacitor

the is risk there is balance

only time this can really be seen as overpowered is to a ratter that forget watching local was not even watching d-scan

what you want is a way to remove something that is incontinent to a game play style balance be damned.


you have tools available to defend yourself but claim they are to incontinent? that has to be one of the most entitled things i have ever heard on the forums. At least when freighter pilots ignore their tools they say they just don't work rather than coming right out and saying the tools are tedious

how is local, D-scan, intel channels, and a cyno inhibitor only one tool.

+1 neut in local =dock up or get hot dropped??

except there are plenty of ppl moving around with no intent to hot drop you so its +1 neut in local dock up or maybe get hot dropped. (not to mention you can get grabbed b4 you even manage to align and warp) so not binary.


but the biggest issue of all is your out there solo and feel the risk you take being alone is unjustified. I mean we even have a timer we start from when our scout first reviles him self. This timer counts down from 2m. we do this because most of the time if you drop on some one from a competent group you have a predictable schedule.

1:30 unorganized panicked response to drop possible(friendlies in system hearing their buddy on coms)
1:15 first chance of an organized response showing up(high risk of tackle)<- by this point we should be gone
00:45 larger ships logi t3s possible cynos(we screwed up)
00:15 how the hell are we still alive and why are we still on grid?(they screwed up)
00:00 ??? O.o

do things always go this way ofc not but it gives us a very good idea of where we are and what risks we currently face.

but if you are out alone or in a group that does not have proper infrastructure then we have all the time in the world to hold your ship and laugh at you in local.

your idea however is no hot drops ever make cynos only useful for moving fleets around. I don't do it it affects my gameplay therefore remove it.

i would not put it passed them....

Jump fatigue isn't a downside?

That doesn't even make sense. Also, I assume you missed the point where I said I wanted to see warp fatigue go away entirely.

Did you read what you typed before posting it?
2 and 3 you list as issues, then go on to make them even more powerful with 5 in your fix list.

1. Jump fatigue isn't going away, what we need is a mechanic that doesn't punish activity. Balancing fatigue around weekend warriors is just stupid.
A simple 5 or 10 minute delay between jumps, removes the ability to quickly traverse the universe without punishing players who use jump mechanics (including gates) correctly. But CCP like limiting how we play the game so punitive fatigue is here to stay.

2. How long a delay? A regular cyno last 10 mins, which is normally 9 mins longer than it is needed for.
Any delay on using cyno's would totally break logistics.

3. Same as 2. While it sounds good in theory, would be game breaking for logistics.

4. Yeah I could go for that, as long as it is balanced so the cyno duration matches its use. Don't need a 10 minute cycle time for a module only used for 30 or 40 seconds.

5. Just no. Ganking/hotdropping is in a good place, you just need to plan it right. Making it easier by limiting local, no.
You want to play without local - Stay in WH space, there are enough of them to keep you occupied for years.
> Nulsec doesn't need to become a second WH space.

Eve should be about more than ganking and N+1, unfortunately that is the current design devs have gone with and the meta many groups prefer to use. It has nothing to do with fatigue, it is just the risk averse nature of pvp in Eve.