Crime & Punishment

If you dont AFK mine, why are you against AFK miners being blown up?

It's not single digits, but it was below 20m last time I did it in a Procurer.

Banks scamming people out of money?! How is that not like real life?

Seriously though there was a time when there was at least one bank that I know of in which you could borrow isk or invest in the bank. It went on for a long while until the funds got so big someone at the top stole it all and sold the isk for real life money and made something like 50K USD. iirc he said it was for some surgery for his kid or something like that. Anyway the publicity from that scared away the legitimate investors and attracted a mob of scammer types. So now it is what you see but it did not always used to be that way.

I think the economy of Eve is much closer to real life than you realize. It's just that in Eve you are much closer to the big business end of things so you see stuff that in real life only occurs in board rooms.

There are a couple lessons that I've learned in my years. One from my father when he told me that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". I know it was a quote from someone else but it stuck with me and I've noticed it to be true. True enough that I don't enter into business or have dealing with anyone unless we are on equal footing.

The second thing that I have learned is that be it a bank or a pension fund or a mutual fund or a publicly traded stock or commodity... any time that you get a large pool of people's money together someone will find a way to steal a chunck of it.

I cold go off on a long rant about life lessons and money but my main point is that to me the Eve economy is scarily real and there are many professors of economics that agree with me on this.

Just read the OP, you won't get anywhere thinking of yourself as a little fish being bullied by the big mean nulls sec dwelling fish. You need an entrepreneurial spirit. I was told it was impossible to earn billions as a newbie. I flew to Jita and observed the locals. Earnt 700 a day, no skills by scamming. It's not CODE keeping you down, it's the liers with no imagination or ambition keeping you at their level. It's not powerful market manipulator keeping you down. It's you.

With the atmosphere in EvE about Mining you expect Players to come on these forums and admit they like it? With their Mains? I think there's many more Players that enjoy mining than will ever admit it now in EvE. Mining in EvE is like the football Jock in High School that secretly likes Drama Class and Algebra but don't dare admit it. I've seen comments in CAS chat by players saying they are mining again, and complain it's boring, and yet they do it over and over, and after a while it becomes obvious they DO like to Mine but are afraid or reluctant to admit it, because you're right, almost no one would continue to do what they can't stand in a game.

Secondly I could name dozens of other activates in EvE that at least some People find insanely boring, everything from mission running to gate camping, to convoy ops, playing the market, PI, you name it. Mining isn't the only boring thing in EvE, yet Players do these activities all the time. Add to this boring activities that have been a part of MMOs for years (and yet players still do them). Why? For the end result of course.

What result would spur a Player to do something they find boring? The feeling of accomplishment or the knowledge you helped your Corp reach a goal, or to see in Corp chat the excitement when the Corp issues some Players their new ships they have been training for. Seeing a dream become reality like building a station for instance. Like anything else in life it's not always about the shinies or what "I get", sometimes it's more.

I dont really believe for a second that someone thinks mining afk is fun. I think the only "Fun" aspect of that is that they get isk for little effort while watching a movie or playing another game.

I used to play Ragnarok Online and i used Bots to level up/make money, and yeah, it was fun, but only because i was getting so much without any effort.

I'm OK with blowing up afk miners as long as it isn't one of MY afk miner alts. If that happens - it will be dealt with.

Q: Where do ice belts come from?
A: The frozen tears of AFK miners.

Great Chribba.

If the OP is still reading this, here is my free advice:


Go get your FREE scout frigate (Heron, for example) by doing the career agent stuff.

Fit it PROPERLY for exploration. No civilian module crap. Given that new players START with around 400K SP now, there is absolutely no reason to use civilian crap.

Go to nullsec. Providence. Syndicate. ANYWHERE.

Use the wormholes to get there safe. Or not.

Explore your weasely little guts out.

Profit. And you WILL profit.

Dive into wormholes until you get back to hisec again. Its pretty easy.

Sell the phat loots.

Buy an Astero and rinse, recycle, repeat.

Become space rich. Hang out in starter systems and show off yer swag.

Start a corp and teach the newbro's how to explore like you do.

Oh, and be sure to kill all the Eve Uni members you see when in low or null..:)

Is it hard to understand? Who has trouble understanding it? Not Tau, to whom you replied, who mines themself and presumably enjoys it.

Obviously some people like to mine - don't see the appeal myself, but each to their own. But if you like to mine, won't you be at the keyboard, enjoying mining, and quite able to keep a lookout for any gankers?

What's Tau's talking about is people who - like the OP - don't enjoy mining. The OP describes it as "pretty boring", and in general I think it's safe to say that anyone who wants to go AFK and do something else doesn't enjoy mining. So why do it? It's not compulsory; I'm new enough to remember my early days, I only mined long enough to realise I never wanted to do it again, and I'm still space-rich enough to keep myself in ships...