EVE General Discussion

OMG, SP frenzy!

You can come, I'll give you the antimatter first

FTFY

Agree 100% and more importantly, whatever happened to Risk v Reward & Actions v Consequences ?


Before anyone rages on me for standing against this new fountain of free skillpoints I'd like to go on record that I've been a firm believer in acquiring as many skillpoints as quickly as I can ever since I first started playing this game 8 yrs ago.

Some of the very first skills I focused on training to max level were the Learning Skills.

Also as soon as I could afford them I got a full set of +5 Attribute Implants and have never used a Jump Clone since.

Due to long term plans which are still in effect, all of that was done for the reward of gaining max skillpoint training time, despite the huge risk of losing the Implants by being podded. Yes I didn't like it when CCP removed the Learning skills. Yes they cost me lot's of time, effort and ISK to get their reward. Yes those skillpoints were reimbursed and allocated for other skills, however that's not the point. I had already made the decision to forgo training regular skills early in order to gain a higher rate of training time afterwards.

Yes Neural Remapping is used to help increase skill training time but quite frankly it's use is limited and the reward from it is just a small increase in training time. And since I train various skills from different skill groups I decided a long time ago it's not an option I'd greatly miss using.

Skill Injectors. I like the idea of being able to remove skillpoints from a certain skill group to add to another skill group. That's fine since it only re-allocates skillpoints and doesn't increase the characters total amount of skillpoints. However I'm totally against bypassing training time with the ability to buy and increase the characters total amount of skillpoints. Despite what others may say, in reality this is nothing more than pay to win.

Case in point = Brand new character pays to have max level in all skills.

Recurring Opportunities for free skillpoints. NO NO NO. Even though it's a low amount of skillpoints, it still adds up over time and once again it bypasses training time. More importantly, it breaks the sandbox and turns it into more of a theme park. It's a reward that involves little to no risk, great consequences for very little action. In my opinion just another example of CCP's poor planning that's another step towards catering to the Instant Gratification crowd.

Even though I don't like it, guess I'll partake in this new game exploit. Definitely log in every day, warp to a high sec belt, destroy 1 NPC, redock and log out knowing I just gained an extra 10k skillpoints for 5 minutes of time.


DMC

At first I was like "naw."
Then I was like "chyah!"
Now I'm like "eh."

More sp for newbros to quickly unlock ships and mods. Something else for me to forget to do on my main.

I set my skill queue to 500 days. That's 5,000,000 sp or 2ish rank 8s worth of "dailies." I won't say no, but I also won't lose sleep over not doing it for weeks at a time.

"F" for the sandbox

Two accounts unsubbed (real money ones too!)

Every single account is a "real money" one...

Can I have your stuff? Else you will buy Plex and CCP will get 14$ more each month then with a 2 subs. They will be impressed with your dedication.
Plex is real money from CCPs side and plexing an account is more expensive then a sub: Plex 19$, sub 12$.

I'm really tired of all these "I'm canceling my sub if CCP doesn't do what I want". Eve has over 500.000 accounts so you can bet that a lot accounts get canceled every month.

I don't think shooting one rat will take up that much time. Besides, we already can;t form fleets cos we're a dead alliance right? Right?

Stop being so salty. If you don't like it, say so with your wallet and leave. Simples.

Dammit! If only I'd known the magic word was "camels".

Please cite your source. CCPs own research showed them that getting people to log in (via the old 24 hour skill queue method) increased player activity and that activity increases retention. If just logging in to chuck a skill in the queue was enough to generate activity, getting someone to log in and undock every day certain will. And this will be vastly improved when they add more opportunities with other playstyles as it will encourage players who want the rewards to do things they normally wouldn't do.

I don't like being on fire.

A good half of those arguments an be responded to with simply "lol, nope". I mean the first bunch and all boil down to the same thing, which reworded could be seen as "If an opportunity exists and I don't take it, then I feel left out thus options existing is forcing me, and if I don't do it I'm unfairly missing out". That in itself is ridiculous, and there's already hundreds of things people could do every day but don;t and therefore already miss out, so how are they not already being forced?

Then there's a few that seem to go on about 3 characters, which is irrelevant since you can only do it on one character per account.

"SP out of thin air", that's a good one since in the last month I've generated at least 50m SP that I previously would not have generated because I've rolled additional characters to do so.

Then we get back onto "some people can't do it" all of which is garbage. An FC or CEO can't shoot a single rat? Complete and utter rubibish.

Then there's the "keeps players in highsec", which it won;t do any more than they already are. Anyone outside of highsec already knows how to shoot a rat, and with these opportunities not existing it's unlikely some in highsec will say "well I'm not being paid SP to shoot one rat so I'll move to lowsec!".

Probably my favourite though is "Penalizes those that value their -10 sec status". Like they can't possibly counter the sec status gain from shooting a single rat.

And all in all it still misses the point that this is the first in a whole range of new opportunities.

I do find it amusing though that he has such an issue with these opportunities, but has no problem suggesting that the feature should be locked to new players only. Because locking content to one type of player is saving the sandbox, right? Newbies will already gain more by it being a fixed amount, allowing them to train whole levels of a skill off of it, while older players will barely notice it.