Test Server Feedback

I have played with the new camera on the test server. I can't tell you how frustrated I am with it. I want to have a primary focus of my ship with a secondary focus on what I am targeting. I want to see both at the same time. So it is an offset. There is the dynamic offset. That actually works pretty good as long as you don't want to see your ship up close. I want the offset along with making my ship take a quarter of the screen. With the current dynamic my ship at biggest is 5% of the screen.

Here is an example of my frustration with the new camera. Then here is what I want the camera to do. This is the old camera. At about 48:00 in the video you see warping that it tracks the gate I came from. My ship goes off the screen but it does come back on in a nice flow. 48:00 through 50:30 shows a nice focus on both my ship and whatever I have clicked on in the overview. This also shows the tracking of a rat where it just flows nicely and is a pleasure to look at. This is the functionality that I very much appreciate in the old camera that just just not available in the new one. The closest I can get is either not to see my ship in any detail or to have the subject of focus right behind my ship.

It feels like you are 95% of the way there. But in this instance you need higher than 95%. An example of why the last 5% is important. Say you buy a new car and they deliver it to you 95% finished. At 95% it could be that only one wheel is missing. Will it drive? maybe. Will it drive well. No. Were you delivered the car you ordered? Yes. Just minus a wheel. Would you accept delivery of your car without one wheel?

I don't know why I feel so strongly about this. Maybe it's because I love EVE. The new camera. If forced on us in the shape it is a downgrade of the game. In effect you will have stolen one of my wheels and with a wheel missing I have no desire to drive.

And CCP wonders why their game is dying.

You just never learn, this "my way or the highway attitude" is tired and old, I find myself wondering more often than not, why do I still maintain multiple subscriptions.

Monocle gate, WIS, Camera's etc etc etc. The list could go on forever.

The bold faced lies used to bolster their decisions are also infuriating. Including inactive or unused characters and accounts is dishonest. I did an informal survey in my local system of about 30 active players, I couldn't find 1 person using the new camera. In fact when I shared the most recent devblog that they'll be forced into it soon all it did was inspire rage and anger. Most of those people tried to convince me that I was wrong, and that there was no way they would be forcing this on us. Furthermore I couldn't find a single person within said group that had anything positive to say about the new camera.

I understand people put alot of effort into making these changes and as a result you feel the NEED to use it to justify the effort, but that's not a good enough reason. Just because you poured money time and effort into this doesn't mean it's good and or should be used. Smart developers scrap poor changes, games and titles all the time. (WOD)

I'm not gonna rehash all the issues listed above, but I'll add a new one to the list that I didn't see listed yet. Auto tracking and panning afterwards. So if you set auto track, and track anything, doesn't matter what, let your camera settle and then try to pan around and look at something else. Now your camera has to refocus on your ship, the camera has to "settle" down again before it zooms in slightly again and lets you pan around. Zoom in, zoom out, zoom in, zoom out, stupid camera can't do anything in a single smooth motion, or in a timely manner. My fault for wanting situational awareness I guess.

Fortunately, Stellaris is out and it looks like most of my corp has already made the move over. I'm one of the last holdouts but I doubt I make it much longer after the camera change. GG CCP.

This is on Singularity at the moment, but there are some bugs like the zooming not working properly.

So from the lack of a reply to my simple issue, i can assume that you are happy to keep the new camera so that its twice as difficult to look up and down as it is to look left and right in your space game.

CCP pushing forward with this change is no different than if VALVE forced heavy mouse smoothing on the CS crowd. Sure, most people wouldnt notice a great deal, but the most dedicated and experienced people who rely on precision would arbitrarily lose some effectiveness.

Its getting truly exhausting, fighting one bad CCP decision after another. Not only will i be worse at the game after may31st, but what makes it really sting is that it is due to a change no one asked for, and that CCP clearly didnt have the aptitude to deliver.

Not to say there has not been some good ideas and implementations too, but this would seem like such a straight forward job, to use the existing camera 'feel' as a starting point and build options from it. Why even bother risk upsetting your most active players with a redesigned primary input method, that you have been forcing on folk every patch day for the last 6 months, a year before its fit for purpose imo.

Talk about redesigning the wheel and ending up with a few flat edges.

I still don't understand why emulating the Ol' Fine and Dandy Camera is out of the question.

- Sincerely, one of the 5.5%

the way the new camera weave, bobs and floats make it feel the cameraman is standing on the deck of a Tea Clipper in the middle of a storm. Even as a PVE player the new camera isn't precise enough. I'm not a Golem pilot sitting half way across the system sniping the enemy,i am frequently playing can and mouse with the biggest ship in the mission, i need to be able to control what i am looking at. Bitter Eve Vet shouldn't be a feeling at a little over a year. Is it too much to ask that when i an not moving point the camera at some thing that the camera sit the FRICK STILL!!

Its been weeks since i played for more that 20 mins. I continually find the new camera bleeds in to the old on top of seemingly having to disable the new camera every few days. No wonder the 5.5% figure in there, just how many have stopped fighting it?

One thing that bugs me: the CTRL-Clickdrag feature to select several targets at once with a selecting frame locks literally every bracket within the frame. That's horrible when you want to use it in PVE.
I think this feature is not too bad but needs at least one more option: only selecting ships (player and NPC). As it stands, I could see myself use this to lock rats in anoms/DEDs/missions really quickly with just one click. However, I also have certain Large Collideable Objects, acceleration gates and other immobile objects in the brackets for the purpose of orbiting them, keeping range to them, checking distances, finding good stuff to kill for extra loot, and avoiding them among other things. Whit the current iteration of the click-drag lock feature, I lock all of these things and block my locked targets with garbage. I would thus very much welcome a SHIFT-CTRL-drag feature (or just SHIFT-drag) to only lock mobile targets/ships/things listed in your overview as opposed to all brackets.

5,5 %...
because most of them don't know how to switch it off. In fact I will switch off my to boost off that 5,5%

Before i say this... i dont think that ccp are stupid, i just think maybe some of them may not realize that these options should absolutely all be off by default.

There should also be options to have vertical axis sensitivity set to the same rate as horizontal. And a slider bar for zoom rate / acceleration / 'stiffness' of zoom.

Along with the other announced changes they are making to bring the new camera in line with the old, they could then use the 'it can be made almost the same as the old camera' argument, and it wouldnt be a lie.

First, the default settings for the new camera should be as close as possible to the old camera.

Second, every person in my Corp changes the camera settings back to the old ones each time you force them on us. So I call BS on your 5.5%.