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Evelopedia replacement online, contributors wanted

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Alessienne Ellecon
Doomheim
#1 - 2016-05-15 11:00:19 UTC
Encyclopaedia Nova Edenica doesn't look like much at the moment, but what is there is a testbed for streamlined portal-based navigation and compact, easy to browse formatting.

We could really use stuff like:


  • Some lore experts to go over the CCP and player-generated history and shape it into some workable articles
  • Technical database of modules, rigs, hulls etc
  • Anything else the other wikis usually neglect but evelopedia didn't


Someone else took the liberty of creating a live backup of evelopedia, so the usable data can be migrated over with all the new stuff. If someone in the know can dig up technical and XML API docs for third party developers as well, that would be great.

inb4 eve uni: they suck and their wiki is impossible to navigate.

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If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#2 - 2016-05-15 12:05:24 UTC
How much is the pay, please?

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Hawke Frost
#3 - 2016-05-15 14:49:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Hawke Frost
The green is horrible, also why start something like that when you obviously have zero experience or knowledge on the matter. Also, the Uni is many things (and many of them not good) but stating that their wiki "sucks" while not being able to create anything beyond a base template yourself (and a ****** one at that) isn't going to help you.


p.s. You should probably invest your time in becoming less bad at EVE instead of finger pointing at well established groups and trying to reinvent the wheel in puke green.
Alessienne Ellecon
Doomheim
#4 - 2016-05-15 15:22:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Alessienne Ellecon
*tastes Hawke's tears*

bleah salty

"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica

If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.

Velarra
#5 - 2016-05-15 15:57:41 UTC
Bobb Bobbington
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#6 - 2016-05-15 17:28:11 UTC
Nonononononononono you're doing it all wrong.

You have to rename it to Hitchhiker's Guide to New Eden!

This is a signature.

It has a 25m signature.

No it's not a cosmic signature.

Probably.

Btw my corp's recruiting.

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2016-05-15 17:34:35 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Hawke Frost wrote:
The green is horrible, also why start something like that when you obviously have zero experience or knowledge on the matter. Also, the Uni is many things (and many of them not good) but stating that their wiki "sucks" while not being able to create anything beyond a base template yourself (and a ****** one at that) isn't going to help you.


p.s. You should probably invest your time in becoming less bad at EVE instead of finger pointing at well established groups and trying to reinvent the wheel in puke green.

The green isn't too bad but having it with grey might not be a good color combo. As for her starting an open Eve Encyclopedia and asking the playerbase for help, I say that's great and more power to her for taking the initiative to do it. It's about time somebody did it and she's definitely trying to be helpful which is more than I can say for you. More importantly, why you bad mouthing her for doing it?

I have links to a few different Eve Wiki's in my Character's Bio. I used Evelopedia the most since it was much easier to navigate and it was more complete than all the others. Yeah that's right, I agree with the OP. Evelopedia was easier to navigate and was more complete than the other wiki's..

Despite the fact there's a few people here who keep saying Evelopedia was outdated and incomplete, the Lore, RP and PvE pages in it were definitely more up to date than all the other wiki's around, thanks mainly to the playerbase. The Official pages in Evelopedia that were 'Locked' by CCP is what needed to be updated on a regular basis which is something that CCP wouldn't do. By the way, those other wiki's all got their info doing copy/paste from Evelopedia.

Anyway, thanks to The Wayback Machine linked earlier in this thread, transcribing most of the info from Evelopedia into this new wiki should be fairly easy which shouldn't take too long to do, especially with help from the playerbase.

I wish this project lot's of luck and a quick success. Also bookmarked for future reference.


DMC
Hawke Frost
#8 - 2016-05-15 19:25:28 UTC
All that is done is create a basic wiki with a terrible colour scheme and name, other than that it's empty so all it is is someone who really wants to be "in charge" but lacks any actual knowledge and wants others to do the actual work, while getting all the page views.
Alessienne Ellecon
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-05-15 22:30:15 UTC
Hawke Frost wrote:
All that is done is create a basic wiki with a terrible colour scheme and name, other than that it's empty so all it is is someone who really wants to be "in charge" but lacks any actual knowledge and wants others to do the actual work, while getting all the page views.


It's empty because I've only just started, moron. A wiki is a big job for one person. But sure, go ahead and bash my efforts, it's not like anyone got anywhere by trying. Maybe I should just lay down and give up entirely because nothing is ever worth it.

"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica

If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.

TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2016-05-15 22:36:27 UTC
Honestly, there already is a great community ran wikipedia ran by EVE Uni. That wiki is open for registration and editing by anyone. I'm generally not a fan of having a dozen different wiki's on the same subject, especially creating a brand new one with multiple established ones already in existence.

Anyone wanting to support an EVE wiki I would encourage to create an account on the EVE Uni website, read their editing guidelines and start editing articles there.

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Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#11 - 2016-05-15 23:16:20 UTC
Agreed about the Eve University Wiki, not because I am an ex-Unista but because it is a wealth of information.

But please, do not pay attention to their fits for ships. THOSE are horrible.
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#12 - 2016-05-15 23:59:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Sustrai Aditua
Bumblefck wrote:
How much is the pay, please?
-10 just for being yourself.
Velarra wrote:
The waybackmachine Eve wiki is great :)
It may be good in ways, but it's a photo of a relic by definition. It will not be updated, and interactivity
as well as graphics files will be iffy...very basic stuff.

Unbelievable. Someone asks for volunteers for a project and gets a windfall of "don't do it".
I can't believe what I'm reading here is from any place other than the dark ages
come to life again.

@OP - I'll do what I can. Thanks for making this effort.

If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2016-05-16 04:33:39 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Honestly, there already is a great community ran wikipedia ran by EVE Uni. That wiki is open for registration and editing by anyone. I'm generally not a fan of having a dozen different wiki's on the same subject, especially creating a brand new one with multiple established ones already in existence.

Anyone wanting to support an EVE wiki I would encourage to create an account on the EVE Uni website, read their editing guidelines and start editing articles there.

UniWiki is not something I would call great. It's adequate on some aspects of Eve and is sorely lacking in other aspects. By design it's not really user friendly and it's also incomplete on info as well. In my opinion it's a biased wiki that's owned and controlled by a player run Corporation that's only interested in promoting their own agenda. Just because you or others say it's a better Eve Wiki doesn't mean it's true.

Hell, most players still don't know about UniWiki but they sure do know about Evelopedia. The only reason UniWiki is getting recognized and promoted now is because CCP is too cheap to continue hosting Evelopedia and too lazy to update the Official pages of Evelopedia. That's the real truth of the matter.

As a long time supporter and contributor to both Evelopedia and Eve-Survival, I encourage all players to support and work on this new Eve Wiki which has great potential to be an actual Eve Community Wiki.


DMC
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#14 - 2016-05-16 07:27:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
For those that use wayback for the old one, Steve Ronuken already eposted the old one from the datadumps and can be found here. As for this one, I'm in agreement with Hawke, all that's been done here is a wikia account has been set up with a template so the OP can get other people to fill stuff in then prance around celebrating how great they are. I doubt it will get filled in and I doubt it will ever be up to standard because a project like this requires someone competent and dedicated in charge.

Also there's already an eve wikia site, so this is at best a badly style duplicate.

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Yarosara Ruil
#15 - 2016-05-16 08:38:05 UTC
Mother of Bob, talk about double jeopardy! Awful green color AND Wikia? That's a recipe for disaster.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#16 - 2016-05-16 08:53:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
For starters, I am not starting to feel that lore was forgotten, because of the wayback machine and there is a lot in chronicles still on the CCP site. But it may be hard to expand the lore on those sites, unless CCP make a mention on their site that something happened.
Still, that is not the best way to deal information in encyclopedic format, as anybody would expect.
For the quick answer to the lore questions people would still prefer wiki. But I dont see any lore category in that thing you made.
But here is an article lore oriented for sure.
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#17 - 2016-05-16 08:58:22 UTC
Yarosara Ruil wrote:

Mother of Bob, talk about double jeopardy! Awful green color AND Wikia? That's a recipe for disaster.

It may be even pink. We need a site that we can rely on. It's absurd that CCP taking steps to interest new players into the game and closing wiki at the same time. EvE is very complex game at start. My first steps when I started playing was linked page obviously.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2016-05-16 10:39:53 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Honestly, there already is a great community ran wikipedia ran by EVE Uni. That wiki is open for registration and editing by anyone. I'm generally not a fan of having a dozen different wiki's on the same subject, especially creating a brand new one with multiple established ones already in existence.

Anyone wanting to support an EVE wiki I would encourage to create an account on the EVE Uni website, read their editing guidelines and start editing articles there.

UniWiki is not something I would call great. It's adequate on some aspects of Eve and is sorely lacking in other aspects. By design it's not really user friendly and it's also incomplete on info as well. In my opinion it's a biased wiki that's owned and controlled by a player run Corporation that's only interested in promoting their own agenda. Just because you or others say it's a better Eve Wiki doesn't mean it's true.

Hell, most players still don't know about UniWiki but they sure do know about Evelopedia. The only reason UniWiki is getting recognized and promoted now is because CCP is too cheap to continue hosting Evelopedia and too lazy to update the Official pages of Evelopedia. That's the real truth of the matter.

As a long time supporter and contributor to both Evelopedia and Eve-Survival, I encourage all players to support and work on this new Eve Wiki which has great potential to be an actual Eve Community Wiki.


DMC


That's the thing about a wiki, if there is information there that is not accurate anyone can come along and fix it. Starting a completely different wiki certainly isn't going to be a better solution to that problem.

I agree that there is also a lot of outdated info on the EVE Uni wiki, but at the moment it is the most up to date one there is. It even trumps the Evelopedia in a lot of places in terms of up to date info. If you want to spend hours and hours reinventing the wheel by starting like, what, the fourth EVE wiki now, by my guest. But you could have spent that time editing existing articles on an established wiki.

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Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#19 - 2016-05-16 14:20:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Sustrai Aditua
FYI. The Wayback Machine was created by a prime developer of our modern PC world. It's what he did with his millions. Part of it is Librivox, by the way. The Machine is a pretty comprehensive record of the world wide web, of which EVE's contribution is but a small bit. The Machine even recorded my first attempts at websites from 1996/1997. (And still records them presently.)

Don't get the idea that organization has a specific interest in EVE beyond the fact it occurs on the internet. EVE's site was selected to be continually "photographed" as time marches on. That is, until there is no one home at the address...yeah, it could happen. It is by no means helpful to view the content there as anything more than artifacts, and for the present, an asset to develop a bridge...someone competent to be in charge. LOL. Good one.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#20 - 2016-05-16 15:12:18 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
The only reason UniWiki is getting recognized and promoted now is because CCP is too cheap to continue hosting Evelopedia and too lazy to update the Official pages of Evelopedia. That's the real truth of the matter.
Just FYI, the reason CCP discontinued Evelopedia is because nobody bothered to update it. Wikis are community driven, CCP put it there for us, not for them to continuously update. So if everyone who seems to be so mad about it no longer existing had taken the time to add and update articles, they wouldn't have discontinued it. The fact is that the UniWiki is better updated and maintained which makes it a better source of information, and that's why it's more popular. As Tiger said, there's really no point in starting up yet another wiki if the existing ones don't get updated.

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