EVE General Discussion

Why does there need to be a reason other than for fun? When my mates and I go out on a roam, we dont have a viable reason for killing anything we come across, we do it for fun.

Same thing, no?

Take away the reward for missioning or mining and see if people continue to do it.

And to answer:

Dude, I cant believe anyone seriously tries to make a profit from an actual miner gank. As I said earlier, I used to gank haulers for profit... that's one thing. But miner ganking? I had an alt once upon a time for ganking miners. I did it for fun... what profit could one expect to make, anyway? I mean really, whats so valuable in or on a hisec miner's ship?

Don't get em wrong, I'm all for hisec ganking and not making it too easy on the carebears... I'd even be omre than ok with it if there were no hisec at all, ok? but please, as some one who used to do it every night, don't tell me miner gankers used to be able to make a profit comparable to missioning or even mining. You're exaggerating too much, dude.

No.

You can do that or any other backwards thing you like but a viable reason? No. Why should there be?

What I think, is that there should be a good reason to be in a player run corp allowing wardecs to happen. Ganking is justified only for those obscenely stupid fits or overloaded haulers; whereas simply being AFK for example is not.

Some r3tards even shot my noobship autopiloting from A to B. They didn't get the pod (which was empty anyway) and the ship had no modules whatsoever. It happened, in other words, merely because someone felt offended by the concept of autopiloting.

While I do believe ganking van be justified - for example to take down a fleet booster in a wardec situation where the booster isn't actually in the wardecing corp, or when there is actual profit to be made, I don't think you've thought about the repercussions of what you're asking.

Case in fact: imagine minerganking were viable. That would make any other T1 ship battlecruiser or down a valid target as well; and every T2 or pirate faction ship even more so because of the sheer killboard value. At which point the new players, the solo players, the casual players or the defeated ones looking to build something new would have NO place left on the map to go.

Highsec is relatively safe and it's supposed to. It's also supposed to be balanced in terms of revenue. A game like EvE *needs* a place like that - even though the risk/reward factor looks a bit skewed here and there. What we do not need, is highsec to be a place where bullies can knock down anything and everything they want.

This is the place where young corps grow up, bolster their numbers and strike out on their own eventually. It's the easiest, newbro-friendly place in the universe -- which is also the reason losing ships in highsec is grounds for mockery. It usually indicated you did something very very stupid. Coincidentially, especially CODE guys seem to lose a lot of ships in highsec

You are so wrong it's laughable, were it not so pathetic. Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi ., not like octopus excreta.





Kindly disembark, preachy, after you "feel" this

/thrust





Cut your Ethernet cable and pour maple syrup in your computer (ingame)

Everything a player does in EVE involves risk. It doesn't matter where that player is because risk is everywhere! In some places it is far more dangerous by design while in others, like highsec, it is far less dangerous. But by and large I think that you forget that this is a sandbox. As long as what players are doing does not break any rules of gameplay anything they do is creating content for someone. From a clearly objective point of view, ganking is fine, war dec'ing is fine, being hunted down until you can't take it anymore and quit the game is fine. It might not be considered pleasant but EVE was never meant to be. EVE is meant to be punishing, kick you in the butt and make you feel one down, and perhaps even ruin your dreams. In this game it isn't how powerful you are, or who you know as much as it is about how you get back up and keep pushing. In this game persistence is everything, as long as it has reasonable goals behind said persistence.

Oh and one other lesson: There is no honor in pvp, or at least not in most cases. There are good fights to be had, but don't expect anything to ever be fair.

High sec is safe?

That is the biggest lie ever told to ANYONE in this game.

High sec is LESS safe then NULL, and CCP made it that way and the players are just responding to that.

In high sec, as I stated, you have no idea if someone in the faceless masses is or isn't going to shoot you. In high sec you have no idea if someone is in an out of corp alt of the people war deccing you. You have no idea he just spotted you because he is the same as the faceless masses all around him. Now his main is on his way to come and kill you, and on the next gate, your dead.

In Null sec, IF ITS NOT BLUE, SHOOT IT. NBSI is law. This makes things VERY simple, see a neutral? Assume he is going to try and kill you if you lands on the same grid as you. Have a gate camp? Anything that isn't blue landing in your bubble, dies. No faceless masses unknowing if one of them wants you dead.


So I ask you, which one is safer? High Sec, where someone might shoot you, or Null Sec, where you KNOW someone WILL shoot you?

Highsec.

I've never been shot at in highsec. 10s of thousands of players passed in systems and not 1 single player has shot at me in 4 years.

Nullsec, that's a very different reality.

This old chestnut, first of all hisec is not safe, but it is safer then lowsec, NPC null and sov null, sov null can be safe, in fact Deklin at one point was the safest region in the game, surrounded by meatshields just after the jump range nerf and jump fatigue application, plus of course then then most powerful military in the game. Sov 0.0 next to NPC 0.0 is less safe than 0.0 far away, 0.0 with a WH in it is less safe then one without a WH in it.

If you fly sensibly you can be very safe in hisec, also what you fly and what you have in it makes you very safe, for example Shae Tadariwa is in a NPC corp so safe from war decs, may just be passing though and are in ships that have no value or cargo of value, might even have her main in an entity that was on the main gankers blue list. Obviously does not mine, so there you go safe, safe is something that you create yourself by what you do or don't do and how you do it.

The other day I moved my freighter with 10bn in it, I was moving it from one Corp office to another, the 10bn and the freighter a Charon made it unsafe, but it was not along the pipes so it was safer, I added to my safety by having Dracvlad in a Loki with twin faction webs get it into warp fast, so I was doing something unsafe in hisec and due to my route and my decisions and actions it was safe.

Currently I am not safe because I have a war dec by a merc group that actually hunts, however I have not run off to an NPC corp mewling in fear, though if it keeps going I will drop corp because there is no value in it for me. I am still operating at a reduced level inspite of this war dec, I just have to operate in such a way that they cannot get on me and I was also set up to get a kill if they tried. They made it too obvious with the scouts by the way, which made me laugh, but at least they were hunting me which makes a change from the other war decs I have had.

I make concious decisions not to do certain activities because they make me less safe and more at risk, posting as I do on threads like this makes me unsafe due to war decs.

Moving expensive cargo from Amarr to Jita or Rens to Jita is unsafe in any thing you fly, mining in a covetor even with a tank is unsafe, moving cargo in a DST is quite safe especially if you fit for and have mastered the cloak MWD trick. Moving expensive cargo in a T1 hauler is very unsafe and as Lucas Kell pointed out moving very expensive items in a specially fit Tengu is very safe, I do that too.

Safety is relative after all...

And to answer baltec1's last post:



I just noticed you posted something which you denied earlier in the thread...



As you know Miniluv was tasked with messing with hisec insted of this 200m, maybe you will admit that part next, to be blunt I used to watch War Akini with a certain amount of wow, but then I realised he was using multi-boxing software to do his ganks, I think he stopped when that was banned.