EVE General Discussion

Probably, but the point is that catching a Tengu is basically Impossible. I regularly shift upwards of 20b isk in Tengus across highsec and have yet to be ganked, and most of the time I don't even activate my active tank when jumping through gates.

The same is true today, people doing stupid things makes suicide ganking profitable. CCP appears to be slowly eroding the possibility of, and the consequences for, doing those stupid things.

I will like that post though I suspect what you define as looking after their things is not realistic as per your comments earlier in the thread, but I can hope. I also suspect that you will define me as entitled or a whinger, but what ho, I don't expect to be safe in hisec and I act as if I am going to be attacked at any time. If I go AFK for all but the shortest period I will dock up, I have lost one mining ship in all the time I have played and that was in Stain which was a rather amusing set of circumstances.

People can come and kill me if they want, I will make it hard for them, I have a war dec at the moment and I am operating in spite of that using my noodle, if they get a kill on me that's fine.

So I would say people who stupidly go AFK, people who do not fit a tank and of course bots are all fair game to gankers and while I may at times save them to frustrate Gankers I see no issues in people killing them and hate it if I save a bot.

Can you be a bit more precise with this?

The fitting, the Tank... you know

(baltec1 wrote:They don't choose anything, CCP does it for them.)



PS: would be happy to know what fitting can give 30'000 or more HP to an Hulk.

Hulk has best yield, worst tank but is a fleet mining ship, I mine with two toons max and by myself so does not work for me, tank is too weak. People in fleets will switch to a combat ship in the Orca fleet hanger.

Mackinaw, better yield, better tank but not good enough for me, the large ore bay means less warping and more time in the belt also reduce the impact of not having a survey module fitted as two strip miners, but the tank is not good enough for me so I chose the Skiff

Less yield, passable amount of M3 and a tank that a person who wants to be hard to kill can go for broke and break gankers hearts.

During the war dec I use a Procurer, lessor version of the Skiff and a lot cheaper.

Did CCP chose that for me, no they gave me options and I went for the one that suited my play style.

EDIT: Sadly I sold all the corp Hulks as I expected taht we would never use them and I no longer use EFT for reasons..., so you might want to ask baltec1 if he can stop trolling for a moment that is.

OK I will try, Two Extender Shield rigs, 1 Medium Shield Extender II, one Invuln, a Thermal and a Kinetic active shield hardeners, then a DCU II. The next question is using the bulkhead or not as compared to a mining lasar, then add a couple of cheap shield implants, be in a fleet with boosters. Did that help?

Its only easy if they fit zero tank, sit still, pay no attention and have no ecm drones out, just like every other ship.

Miners, even after years of playing, still hadn't learned that you shouldn't fill your lows and rigs with just cargo expanders and mining laser upgrades, but that you needed a tradeoff between efficiency and safety. They choose efficiency over safety and thus got their **** pushed in but then, weirdly, decided that instead of adapting it would be much easier to whine about how unsafe mining is, while it was their own choice.

So CCP made it so that miners had to think even less and removed the need for cargo expanders and rigs by creating the ore hold and removing the need for a DC (in case of proc/skiff) by giving them massive tank. Now miners can again be completely brain dead and mine without a worry, as long as they did the ini, mini, moe correctly. They can't even get that right and in EVE you get to live with the choices of your (in)actions.

There are some miners who make the call for yield and use a medium slot for survey scanner thus reducing their tank, I see them get ganked quite often but not in Skiffs. I also think that many gankers don't even scan Skiffs, if you look at the losses of Skiff's in hisec you will find some truly terrible fits that were killed in what looked like war decs, but man their fits are bad...

CCP gave an option: tanky barge with less yield or less tanky but more yeld.
It is the same kind of choice you have with plenty of ships classes: more tank or more DPS, better scanning or more tank and so on. Some of that depend on the fitting, but some depend on the hull. Even the number and location of slots depend on the hull, so yes, CCP give you a restricted set of options and you choose what to do on the basis of those options.

It is interesting to note that baltec1 want to gank a cruise class ship (and he has recognized a few times i this thread that the barges are cruise class ships) with a single destroyer to get a positive cash flow. That shouldn't be the norm, that should be a very rare exception.

And another thing about baltec1: he can be someone in the pirate community, no idea, but here is a guy crying in forum because a change done years ago still upset him.
Pirate tears best tears.