EVE General Discussion

Just because a group of players feels it is imperative that non-profitable low-income targets die in the most secure regions of space does not make it so.

However, I am also of the school of thought that an efficient mining fleet should consist of Orca boosts on grid, thus making the hauler annex booster ship worthwhile.

Furthermore as an incentive to not be in an NPC corp and allow proper wardecs to happen, perhaps boosts should only apply to corp/alliance members in said fleet? Just spitballing an idea here.

Either way, there are already several mechanics in place to emphasis being in a corp (eg: anchoring a Thukker Mix assembly array requires a tower and as a consequence thereof, a corp) and several upsides to having destructable structures in space (citadels, alongside towers and POCOs) -- which means a profitable industrial operation can be thwarted through wardecs already.

Is it CCPs fault or the miners fault a select group of players insists on not declaring war, and then whining about how unfair they're treated?

Sure, any player group can claim they are the True Heroes that own highsec but I don't think the State, the Republic or the Empire agrees with that point of view - neither does Concord for that matter.

Emergent gameplay is all nice and dandy; but do we really have to go out of our way to accomodate those who do not wish to use existing mechanics? Just because "it's content" doesn't mean it's content that should exist or made profitable. You could, for example, claim your own sovereign space and go enfore the New Halaimauith (whatever) Code of Conduct there. What makes these people think they are entitled to enforcing bogus rules in Empire space - and turn a profit blowing up well-tanked low-cargo low-profit targets? This, I would like to know.

Well, they do die if you apply enough firepower - and the game engine does not forbid you from doing so.

Making that profitable is another matter entirely.

I can think flying a T1 fit Mammoth through Aridia is a neat idea for content creation but when I die should I b!tch about it on the forums how CCP ruined my gameplay?

I do read and retain it, I just don't take your ramblings as fact, since most of the time they are provably false. In this case, the fact that we can look at ZKB and still see hulks going down to single T2 and dual T1 gankers continues to prove it false.

Except it clearly isn't. I want balanced gameplay, you want easy gameplay for you. That's the difference here. Danger is absolutely needed in highsec, but that doesn't mean any douche should be able to throw together a shitfit destroyer and run around profitably ganking noobs all day. It should make you work for it.

And they are, but by picking a ship for tank over a ship for yield they aren't picking "the worst possible tank", they are picking a tanked ship then choosing not to tank it further. What you really want is easy kills with minimum effort, that's obvious at this point.

Nope, that's why we still see profitable ganks of people in undertanked hulks.

This is verifiably false simply by reading my post history. It's not my fault if you fly off the handle, completely ignore posts and start throwing accusations around when someone suggests something you don't like.

There's no more or less of a reason to gank miners than any other ship.

Give it up baltec.. Many people have tried it before you and many will try it after. All will fail. Lucas will never get it, but at least his posts are always a good laugh.

While not a gank kill, it would have been very profitable to gank




They don't, but they can be. Every single cov ops frigate that fits a sisters probe launcher also tends to fir zero tank and are rather profitable to blap for example. but the out there are not profitable simply because they fit a tank.




They dont choose anything, CCP does it for them.

I can confirm that I choose a Skiff or a Procurer, I can also confirm that the last two people I saw mining in the system I currently mine in also chose a Skiff, because CODE had come in last week and ganked some Mackinaws. So people are choosing Skiffs over the higher yield and convenience of a Mackinaw because of their tank.

I can also assure baltec1 that I have a bulkhead, a DCU II and a single T2 mining lasar in the lows, which is the sole concession to yeild, I don't have a survey scanner as my mids are focussed on tank, two extenders and then some active resistance, damn I have to accept that at times I do a full cycle and get almost nothing as the roid pulls a flanker on me, but that's how it goes for those of us that chose tank over yield.

I apologise to the entitled one known as baltec1 for flying a ship and fitting it so it is unprofitable for him to gank. But luckily for baltec1 there are quite a few people who fit for yield and fly less tanky mining ships, he just wants to roll up and gank without any effort and a sure fire profit, that is so so sad. What more can one say...

I guess this shows that Miners aren´t the heard of mindless sheep that some players seems to believe. Perhaps CODE have been to good in 'educating' the High-Sec population and/or weeding out the miners who where unable to adapt to the harsh reality that is high-sec mining.

Since I don´t mine or hunt miners I do wonder if there could perhaps be some middle ground to this where solo mining would become more dangerous and thus encourage miners to gang up or even bring escorts to keep them safe. The issue then would be that in order for this to work mining would have to become ALOT more profitable then it currently is in order to justify the inclusion of combat ships as 'guardians' when they could really be doing something more productive with their time.

Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable, it's meant to be an option that let's you punish someone else at your expense.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1698538#post1698538

which you already knew , having posted there 4 years ago . grats on trolling so many , however ..

Sure, when you tell me how a Miner can not just "not loose" but win. At the moment the best a miner can get its not loosing his stuff while you want to make an income. He is stitching in a ship frozen in place with the only defense that you can't make a profit gangking it. He has no way to defend himself. Show me a way that the gankers target can make money in defending himself and you have every right to ask for some profit, if you can gank him. But at the moment the best he can get is not loosing and so you have no right to ask for a profit.