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why does it seem like CCP is castrating high sec content creators

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Helen Kor-Azor Xeatari
No Expectatlons
#261 - 2016-05-05 05:50:03 UTC
Oh no, freighter ganking is nerfed, harder for goons to fix their killboard...

Ehp boost, low slots etc. and warp off after 3 min is cool, haulers still need an "oh ****" button thou.
90% resist and lock in place for a couple minutes to call backup, or to have chance to tank an alpha fleet when used properly.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#262 - 2016-05-05 07:47:29 UTC
Well all this thread has shown is that you miners are indeed the most spineless, lazy and clueless players in eve. So inept at this game that you feel CCP needs to fit your ships for you and so cowardly you cant stand the idea of of people hunting for anti-tanked barges. Miners demand to be viewed as more than drones chewing on rocks but frankly, that's exactly what you are today.

You say gankers are cowards, well I don't see them fighting to make their untanked ships unprofitable to gank like you are in here.
Yael Capra Nubiana
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#263 - 2016-05-05 08:44:53 UTC
Artemis Ellery Sazas wrote:
Over the years there have been many posts from gankers/griefers telling high sec carebears to adapt or GTFO. It would seem now griefers should take their own advice.


this

... if they can.

Plexing is pure self en-slavement.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#264 - 2016-05-05 15:59:16 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Well all this thread has shown is that you miners are indeed the most spineless, lazy and clueless players in eve. So inept at this game that you feel CCP needs to fit your ships for you and so cowardly you cant stand the idea of of people hunting for anti-tanked barges. Miners demand to be viewed as more than drones chewing on rocks but frankly, that's exactly what you are today.

You say gankers are cowards, well I don't see them fighting to make their untanked ships unprofitable to gank like you are in here.


Roll

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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Memphis Baas
#265 - 2016-05-05 16:45:49 UTC
To answer the thread title, maybe they want to improve EVE's m:f ratio, bring it closer to WoW's 70:30.
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#266 - 2016-05-05 18:06:55 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Well all this thread has shown is that you miners are indeed the most spineless, lazy and clueless players in eve. So inept at this game that you feel CCP needs to fit your ships for you and so cowardly you cant stand the idea of of people hunting for anti-tanked barges. Miners demand to be viewed as more than drones chewing on rocks but frankly, that's exactly what you are today.

You say gankers are cowards, well I don't see them fighting to make their untanked ships unprofitable to gank like you are in here.


Highsec miners are exactly what the Code says they are and they will always get what the Code says is their due. In a few months the same arguments will be being put forth in another thread about how the gankers have to be nerfed again for "balance". Its a never ending story.

And thousands of miners, freighters and other highsec carebears will have died in between. Because it isn't a matter of balance, its a matter of the player. The carebears are bot aspirants and will not raise a finger to do anything for themselves. No matter what CCP gives them, we will find a way to take it away. All of it.

If you're a carebear, you die. Its what you do.

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com
Aurelius Ignum
Forging Industries
Silent Infinity
#267 - 2016-05-05 18:08:59 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


You say gankers are cowards, well I don't see them fighting to make their untanked ships unprofitable to gank like you are in here.



Poor, spoiled, little child. Who told you that every action or endeavor is, or even should be profitable?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#268 - 2016-05-05 18:31:31 UTC
Aurelius Ignum wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


You say gankers are cowards, well I don't see them fighting to make their untanked ships unprofitable to gank like you are in here.



Poor, spoiled, little child. Who told you that every action or endeavor is, or even should be profitable?


The irony of a miner calling anyone else spoiled when they have been removed from the threat of piracy is rich.
Aurelius Ignum
Forging Industries
Silent Infinity
#269 - 2016-05-05 19:00:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


The irony of a miner calling anyone else spoiled when they have been removed from the threat of piracy is rich.




Ahh. This seems to be part of your difficulty.

Just as you are incapable of finding a profitable target that you can actually take down, you are also incapable of distinguishing miners from other occupations.

As a solution to your impotence...I mean "problem", I would recommend taking the following steps.

1: Realize that not every activity in the game has to net you a profit in ISK. Some activities are just a means to an end.

2: Realize that not everyone who disagrees with you or thinks poorly of you is a miner.

3: Or you could just stay on the short bus. I'm sure milk and cookies will be along... "Soon" (TM).


Ganking effectively defenseless ships is a tactic. But one of many. It is not the End All and Be All of the game. If your ability to enjoy the game revolves solely around the ability to make a profit from shooting fish in a barrel, then perhaps you are doing it wrong.

Either that or maybe you should look for activities that more closely match your proclivities? Like frying ants with a magnifying glass.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#270 - 2016-05-05 19:04:58 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Aurelius Ignum wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


The irony of a miner calling anyone else spoiled when they have been removed from the threat of piracy is rich.




Ahh. This seems to be part of your difficulty.

Just as you are incapable of finding a profitable target that you can actually take down, you are also incapable of distinguishing miners from other occupations.

As a solution to your impotence...I mean "problem", I would recommend taking the following steps.

1: Realize that not every activity in the game has to net you a profit in ISK. Some activities are just a means to an end.

2: Realize that not everyone who disagrees with you or thinks poorly of you is a miner.

3: Or you could just stay on the short bus. I'm sure milk and cookies will be along... "Soon" (TM).


Ganking effectively defenseless ships is a tactic. But one of many. It is not the End All and Be All of the game. If your ability to enjoy the game revolves solely around the ability to make a profit from shooting fish in a barrel, then perhaps you are doing it wrong.

Either that or maybe you should look for activities that more closely match your proclivities? Like frying ants with a magnifying glass.


So you are now comparing miners to being as basic in thought and stature as ants. Is it any wonder most people in EVE have no respect of them when even their so call defenders do nothing but belittle them.

Mining is EVEs most boring activity because people like you have made it that way. Plonk yourself in a barge these days and you will sit in space sucking on rocks, if you are lucky/unlucky someone from code might pop up and attack a few of you every few weeks. Sit in a skiff and nothing of interest will ever happen to you.
Marton Gastolfer
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#271 - 2016-05-05 19:50:05 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Today, you suck on a rock and are ignored.


The problem seem to be that you feel ignored and that make you mad.
Making you feel important isn't the goal of the game.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#272 - 2016-05-05 19:56:47 UTC
Marton Gastolfer wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Today, you suck on a rock and are ignored.


The problem seem to be that you feel ignored and that make you mad.
Making you feel important isn't the goal of the game.


Best part of this is I wouldn't even be taking part in any of this content, Im busy burning down empires I helped to build.

You are the one sitting there with no content because you got it all removed.
Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#273 - 2016-05-05 20:09:27 UTC
I'm not seeing the difference between a miner feeling entitled to make a profit off of peacefully mining asteroids and a ganker feeling entitled to prey on whomever they choose for an unlimited amount of time. Both feel entitled. Both seem to think 'their' way of playing needs to be protected by CCP. Both come here in the forums and gripe about it.

I also don't see the difference between mining an asteroid and mining a ship, so it's amusing to see vitriol tossed at miners from those that just mine the miners. Asteroids don't shoot back and neither do industrials.

Trust me, if CCP REALLY wanted HiSec suicide ganking dead, they'd let BattleCruisers mount strip miners. If they really wanted mining/hauling/industry dead, they'd change the Concord mechanics. So from where I stand, both sides are pretty balanced and you guys are just spouting out self-serving propaganda.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#274 - 2016-05-05 20:13:58 UTC
Pandora Carrollon wrote:
I'm not seeing the difference between a miner feeling entitled to make a profit off of peacefully mining asteroids and a ganker feeling entitled to prey on whomever they choose for an unlimited amount of time. Both feel entitled. Both seem to think 'their' way of playing needs to be protected by CCP. Both come here in the forums and gripe about it.

I also don't see the difference between mining an asteroid and mining a ship, so it's amusing to see vitriol tossed at miners from those that just mine the miners. Asteroids don't shoot back and neither do industrials.

Trust me, if CCP REALLY wanted HiSec suicide ganking dead, they'd let BattleCruisers mount strip miners. If they really wanted mining/hauling/industry dead, they'd change the Concord mechanics. So from where I stand, both sides are pretty balanced and you guys are just spouting out self-serving propaganda.


Key difference here.

Mining piracy has been removed from the game.
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#275 - 2016-05-05 20:27:20 UTC
Well, we're mostly concerned about balancing game mechanics. I try to leave personal feelings out of the matter as best I can. This latest storm of back-and-forth is triggered by bumping -- and let's be honest ..... wasn't it about time they fixed that? Out of the many possible fixes CCP still picked the most ganker-friendly.

Why such threads always have to deteriorate into mudslinging is beyond me.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#276 - 2016-05-05 20:37:59 UTC
Aurelius Ignum wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


You say gankers are cowards, well I don't see them fighting to make their untanked ships unprofitable to gank like you are in here.



Poor, spoiled, little child. Who told you that every action or endeavor is, or even should be profitable?

Exactly the thought when it comes to mining. Who says it should be profitable?

Doesn't stop all the whine, whinge and moan threads started in the name of "think of the children", "it's unfair" and the ever classic "it shouldn't be possible for a 1 million ISK ship to kill an 200 million/1 billion ISK ship".

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#277 - 2016-05-05 20:43:58 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Well, we're mostly concerned about balancing game mechanics. I try to leave personal feelings out of the matter as best I can. This latest storm of back-and-forth is triggered by bumping -- and let's be honest ..... wasn't it about time they fixed that? Out of the many possible fixes CCP still picked the most ganker-friendly.

Why such threads always have to deteriorate into mudslinging is beyond me.


We are at the point where ganking or more accurately, highsec pvp has been nerfed so much that every single little nerf is now reviled.
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#278 - 2016-05-05 20:45:16 UTC
Well look at it this way: you want to be a pirate, operating outside the law.

Attempting to do this is the most secure areas of space is supposed to be hard, yes?

It also means that poorly fitted ships, AFK pilots, expensive cargo, solo pilots or people suspect flagged themselves are the things you should be looking for. This is what CODE has been feeding the community for many years.

The latest rounds of tears seems to imply highsec is dead because people took that advice to heart and are now not AFK, not falling for canflipping, they ARE tanking their ships to high heavens, they are fleeting up because :SafetyInNumbers: ... it is a time to rejoice! James315 has saved highsec from itself! There are no stupid miners anymore!

Why aren't we celebrating? Why the long faces?
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#279 - 2016-05-05 20:49:28 UTC
Highsec PvP is more than just ganking. It could revolve around POSses / POCOs within the confines of a wardec. Those with real assets on the line might not agree with your definition of Highsec PvP.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#280 - 2016-05-05 20:53:04 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Highsec PvP is more than just ganking. It could revolve around POSses / POCOs within the confines of a wardec. Those with real assets on the line might not agree with your definition of Highsec PvP.

empire wars were gutted of engagement with the buddy list,
they are almost exclusively hub humping and pipe camping unless you are small enough not to spook the quarry or
you get a spia in the target corp

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