EVE General Discussion

I know the suspect baiter you are talking about, he was using a suspect freighter, he woudl then dock up and come out with a combat ship for the mission runner who took a shot along with logi. I think he left the game and went out in a blaze of glory because they and he was linked with Gorgon.

They want to go back to the time when people would suddenly find themselves suspect and have no clue how it happened, that is a bad move for CCP because when I started playing in 2009 all the people I came across in hisec were totally scared by the mechanics and would avoid. So I started to have a look at some of these events and after I had seen a few of them I decided to keep well away from anything to do with combat in hisec which is why I went to 0.0 in early 2010.

They don't like suspect baiting because there is greater risk.

The hulk had the same base tank as a HAC and was able to fit a sizable tank. I had actually advocated at the time to boost the fitting room to allow for large shield extenders to be fitted.

If you fitted a tank then a single catalyst would never have been able to kill you. This is an outright lie.


I call out broken mechanics and bad changes no matter where and to who they happen to. The changes I have highlighted have been bad for the game, bad for balance and bad for providing content. Mining piracy in highsec is dead, ganking miners is a loss making operation these days. Jetcan pvp is dead, you don't have the pirates running around the highsec belts anymore nor people like me baiting them into fights. Jetcan pvp is now restricted to a can off the jita 4-4 undock.

I supported the crime watch changes so let's stop assuming silly things like this.

Yes I know what my quote says. It's quite clear.

It just doesn't say what you think it says. So try again perhaps.

Really, slower this time.

If you are going to debate with me you are going to have to actually read what I am typing. I have already said in the very text you quoted the hulk had the same base tank as the HACs.
Just because you can still gank them does not mean you can turn a profit doing so. Miner ganking these days isn't piracy, it's terrorism.

It's no more risky than can baiting used to be. Jetcan mining was its own thing and hasn't been replaced with suspect baiting, it was just outright removed from the game.

So, people want to kill more miners but who will mine the ore for their ships? Economic Report Remember that you can make 2-3 times the money mining in Null. Please point at the Null region that is in the top 5.

So the people that want to kill miners don't want to do the job but they want to rob the miners that are doing this incredible boring job to rob them of the fruits of their labor. They are mourning that barges have unfair advantages while barges have no weapons. That's like some robber complaining that the victim is wearing a bullet proof vest making his "work" harder. So the miners/freighter pilots should deliver their earnings directly when you warp in and fit structure decreasing mods so you can gank them faster. And of cause you should make money by ganking ships without weapons.
Get real: Mine your own minerals and then you have every right to harass miners. I wouldn't want to do mining if they triple the income in high.

My solution would be: arm the miners/freigther and give them 80% firepower of a combat ship in the same price region and prolong the Concord reaction time to 2 minutes. Maybe some fancy tricks like spidertanks for skiffs. Taking loot from a ganked ship, in High, gives you a suspect flag and disables your warp/docking for 5 Minutes for Concord to do the paperwork but don't get you aggressed by Concord.. This jetcan stays "poisoned" till someone sits out the 5 minutes or the owner takes it back. Spoof up the belt rats in High to make mining interesting and some side money too.

Now is the time to blast with both barrels so to speak, on goes the hard hat for the explosion from those entiled gankers that will hate what I say now.

You are effectively wanting to sit there and easily kill stuff with no real consequences, your attitude is that you want a easy kill that you can isolate, make everyone else around helpless so you can enjoy that part of it, which is why you hate the loss of jet can mining mechanics because you could toy with your victim, get him mad then he makes a mistake and you control it totally..

That is no consequence PvP which to be blunt is best out of a game that holds itself to be a PvP game first and foremost.

Now the situation means that other people in that corp or that mining fleet will go after you, and people do not do this anymore because they will die, it is no longer a sure easy kill.

Up your game, adapt or whine die..

EDIT: And a major point to make, the Change to bumping if CCP does it properly is also an end to no consequence PvP, where the gankers can toy with a victim for hours with no consequences.

You have corrected nothing.

Well the fun part is that he said in local even after the mining ship changes that he was making profit from his ganks.

So people have adapted by not jetcan mining as well as the mechanics changing, are you bemoaning the fact that people chuck the ore straight into freighters or Orca's. I never jet can mined, I warped back to the station. What the issue here is that there is simply less and less stupid people in this game.

For an example I get criticised by some miners for having over tanked ships they prefer yield and that is their choice, I play to be difficult to kill, simple as they look at ISK per hour, there you go, and with the current mining ships I have a choice now to be hard to kill or I can go for yield and less warps to the station. People do that, go and kill them, that is what Liek DarZ does in Osmon, he picks off new miners or those that put yield first.

So the balance is right, mining ships are still dying in hisec, what is your problem? The inability to play with their heads by winding them up?

EDIT: You are entitled as an old bored rich playerto kill a ship with a T2 fit and make money, you are entitled as an old bored player to play with people to wind them up to they snap, to get them into a 1v1 situation where they are helpless and all their corp mates and fleet mates have to sit there and watch him die and cannot do anything, you are entitled to have all the mechanics in your favour because you are baltec1 and have played the game for a long time. Wow, just wow...

There's always anti-ganking. That's the real no consequence pvp and I don't think bumping changes are going to end that.

The Svipul is OP.

Nope barge piracy is not done, Liek Darz is doing it, he told me and others in local that he was making ISK out of it.

There are plenty of mining ships getting blown up in hisec, I was mining the other day and in came some CODE players and started ganking Mac's, so I hunted one down and podded her. There is plenty of ganking going on that is not CODE, people have adapted and still make money.

Stop being entitled and adapt, I had to.

EDIT: The Hulk still has the tank of a wet paper bag..., you corrected nothing, everything I said there was correct.