EVE General Discussion

There you go:

The changes to barge HP happened years ago, the DCU change is a different thing that caused other problems.

The effect of the barge HP changes resulted in barges and exhumers gaining an unfair advantage that no other subcap enjoys and is inherently unbalanced. It ended barge piracy as a viable activity. The barge changes also killed the far bigger content provider that was jetcan mining. Jetcan theft and the baiting that happened around the activity provided a huge amount of content but that was all wiped out simply because of the introduction of the ore bays and the way they work.

You shouldn't worry about highsec content creators. We will, as after every nerf, be fine. Its why "one more nerf" is and has always been a punchline.

In many ways all this is a compliment. We have become so effective at doing Eve, you know, blowing up spaceships and stuff, that CCP finally had to throw in the towel and give the carebears magic "get out of jail" buttons that THEY DON"T EVEN HAVE TO PUSH. The increases in EHP and now the auto-warp timer are a plain admission that we are better than their mechanics and always find a way to win.

I mean, when you put in a feature that allows an autopiloting freighter pilot to escape bumps when he's out having a cigarette or doing the laundry you have just given up on giving them tools to protect themselves and are shoving them out of the way and saying, "OK, you idiot... let me save your stupid ass". Its a shame when you think about it but hey, we told them not to go down that path.

With The Conference Elite back into CODE., numbers back up to full strength and donations continuing to pour in, highsec's explosive future is still in front of us. People that think they are so safe in highsec that they can half-ass their way around will continue to die horribly and will continue to chant "One more nerf" like some space aged BLMers.

It is truly impressive what a dedicated, well-led, group of homicidal zealots can accomplish. Just seeing the way we've driven the changes in the game would be quite edifying if it wasn't that the changes were so poorly thought out and implemented. Still, as you all know, we always win.

Short of turning off all offensive modules in highsec... we can't be stopped.

The first buff to barges was a total disaster and it simply made the retriever king of the barges. The second revamp while better than the first still falls well short of what was needed with the barges still not the well balanced with eachother. They are also shoehorned into just one or two viable fits, you no longer have to make sacrifices on them for storing ore for example. If you want max cargo space for your rocks you should have to fit for max cargo not get it right out of the box.


The shenanigans that happened around jetcans in belts was hugely enjoyable and productive in terms of pvp. I used to have great fun baiting fights out of pilots using my battle iteron V and there was countless others all happily blowing eachother up all overhighsec. All of that activity is gone which has lead to much more boring highsec which is not good for the game.

WTF did I just read?

I thought you guys were more careful about what you called unfair. But this is an Orwellian display of blind(to your own)sidedness.

Even the gankers are calling stuff "unfair" - even using that word. What's this world coming to?

Agreed, first buff mostly just turned the hulk into the retriever, though this doesn't seem unlikely what so ever as miners would always go for the largest bay.
It means the least interaction on a boring job.
Even now many still use it, rather than the procurer for gank areas.
THis however speaks more on what a person is interested in than on the changer proper.


As for battle indies, you sir, have poor taste.
Battle badger all the way.
And just for you having such an offensive taste, I would rather harm myself and remove the content than let you sully the name of battle industrials.

But really, now you can still grab their rat wrecks or duel them.
Its just now you have much less chance of 'leet pvp and much more trying to cajole somebody to stick their hand in a running garbage disposal for some reason.

Why would a freighter end up like that though?


There was once a time when we had to escort freighters, back in the days of olde when I had a mullet (but no Camaro)

Yeas the change to EHP happened some time ago and I was one yelling at CCP because all the mining ships had the tank of a wet paper bag. Now I have a choice to sit in a ship that I can tank so you guys have to work to kill me if I chose to go mining, after this was implemented I got back into a mining ship, having given up in disgust because a single Catalyst could kill me in any ship I flew to mine even if I fitted maximum tank. Of course you want to go back to that.

No it did not end piracy, I rather like Liek Diaz who works in Osmon, he is very effective and say hello to each other, he kills mining ships and loot scoops and while you are whining he is getting on with it.

Jetcan theft and baiting, wow, just go suspect baiting, but you don't like that because there is more risk, other people with combat ships can chose to go in, you are nothing but a carebear ganker who wants easy kills on ships that cannot fight back.

Like I said PL is having a lot of fun with the revitalised Caps, why are you a PL player whining about hisec mining when you have a whole suite of new toys to have fun with, its beyond a parody, really baltec1 you are the person who came up with a very good doctrine for the Goons, but is this really your level, whining about mining ship tanks?

Of course they don't want to suspect bait.

In years past it was all about loot stealing, going flashy to the owner, then playing agro fu, like trying to line up with a mission rat, to get non-consensual PVP with one person (and some RR too). I used to watch the posts from the TEARS guys almost daily.

But there was a suspect baiter in Osmon on the undock, every day. Used to fly past it - occasionally shoot it with a rookie ship.

Then one day, he was not there. I looked him up. Some 32 billion ISK loss of a faction ship, and it looked like an organized crew took him out, Russians I think.

From that day onward to the removal of the one-way watch lists, I never saw that player log in again.

So yeah, maybe they are gank bears. Easy kills and all that.

Miner bumping is starting to look like one big temper tantrum.

"Castrating highsec content makers" - more like giving balls to people who needed it.

The sorry history of poor gameplay changes that has removed entire professions from eve all in the name of protecting the stupid from themselves