Missions & Complexes

I did use to run with the old setup (i.e., with a TP), but just switched to three unscripted MGCs when I got fed up with fiddling with the painter - in terms of damage application, I suspect (but alas can't prove) that there might even be a small increase with a TP-less setup.

The MGCs don't require the range scripts, as with skills + the Garmur's bonus + whatever implants you may have, faction rockets range is around 26km, which is more than enough for all the Team Burners (except perhaps the Burst reppers, whose orbits are a little erratic). Running unscripted also has the happy benefit of allowing the MGC's other bonuses to be applied, too!

No proper scientific testing done, though :)

So one thing you need to remember is that MGCs are exactly like Tracking comps and like any other module when it comes to stacking penalties.

That is to say having 2 or 3 modules give the same (smaller) bonus rather than having 1 or two of them give one (bigger) bonus and another one or two give another (bigger) bonus means you don't lose the effectiveness of those bonuses.

Basically it's better to script, especially in PvE where the variables are mostly known/fixed.

I only really use Mjolnir Javelins against the Bursts - against the Jaguar itself, Navy Scourges all the way.


I think the extra damage you are seeing, as you say, comes more from the Faction BCU and MGE rather than the TP. But I'm very probably wrong on this.





I never have the stacking penalties out of mind, ever! The thing was, though, I remember trying the Team Garmur fit before fiddling with it - and the TP seemed to (annoyingly) cap the fit out. Switched it for the 3rd MGC and I seemed to get much the same result. Bear in mind that was a while ago and my memory is a little hazy.


Anyway, it's all grist to the mill. Thanks!



e: Just noticed in your posted setup:






WTB Garmur with 500 calibration!

You're right! My bad :)

the overheating is only because burners are cheaters.

That's the whole point of burner missions, you don't get 200m isk/h for nothing.

Just a general post as to the why around bling fits and OH for those wondering.

OH does two things, it increases tank so you can reduces the tank requirement to then increase the dps and increases DPS so you can decrease the required tank even further. All this equates into completing the burner faster. So if you are happy with reducing the time it takes to complete burners you might be able to get away with less/no OH and with less bling by replacing dps modules with more tank. The fits and skills and implants in the guide is all about decreasing the 'time' component as much as possible and as is realistic.

If you look hard enough you might find some less bling fits, especially in the burner mega thread but because of the way the burner repairing threshold works, over that repair threshold additional dps greatly increases the speed that you complete burners. So yes, the burners cheat by having stats 'similar' to ships that are faction and DED fit (with links) that are overheating those modules without burning them out. The advantage the player has of course is that it's (mostly) predictable AI and fixed fits so you can build ships around those cheats.

Nah, I think the fact that I now need 13 Ships, 3 of them Battleships and 11 of them unique hulls, to get the most out of Lv4 missions to be one of the best things to happen to Hi-Sec PvE in a while. Sure for your normal PvE only player it just extends the time they are subbed for a little while but for longer term players every new buff or nerf or new hull/module now opens up the possibility of maybe mixing up how and with what we run missions. Who knows, maybe one day we'll get just the right ship or buff to make Gurista Base worth running.

On a separate issue... If you have Minmatar Cruiser V, can you get away with a pair of stasis webs on the Vigilant fit? Would be nice to turf the mobile depot and permanently affix a 50MN MWD. Also, since the Hornet I's die in a hail of fire - how much benefit do they actually have? (I find that by the third Sentinel they're all dead anyway)

It might be but it'd get chancy I think. I haven't really tested that. I know some people used to replace 1 web with either a tracking comp or a paint but I don't know if just two Webs is enough.

As for the Hornet 1s, they serve the singular purpose of dieing so you can live, they're super cheap. They're ablative armor basically, distracting and sometimes resetting the aggro on the Dramiels. This much is constant. Usually I lose 2-4 to help my tank and then pull them in once there's only 2 Drams left (I then stop OH the hardeners). Soon as I web the last Dram I send 5 hornets after the transport to get a head start on damaging him. Might be worth taking 5 T2s and sending them at the transport once you web the last Dram.