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Well it had nothing to do with sp injectors or dailies as they are new.

But those two things are just the latest in the line of unpopular changes that CCP has introduced.

What is wrong with you? CCP said we introduce feature X. They did not basically tell anyone that they are ********. This is all you. The decency part was about people not being able to communicate without spewing venom. thank you for proving my point. You misunderstand my post, you explode like this is some serious matter. It is just a bonus for logging in and killing a rat. calm down. I have said plenty of times that I don't think this feature does what they want, but it is also pretty harmless.


This is not a reasoning for the feature... how can you read it as such???????? It is their plan for how they respond to the feedback. And apparantly their plan is :Wait and see, which is to be honest a quite normal approach for implementing features.

Where did I write that you should be able to be on EVE (whatever that means) in your lunchbreak, or that everyone can? That was why I used "I". To implicate that the mentioned only apply to me personally.

HTFU had nothing to do with disagreeing with a fundamental shift in the games philosophy

That's not what I said. Go shill somewhere else.

Problem with this kind of behaviour is that at some point you cross a threshold and suddenly everyone is gone and there is **** all you can do about it. This has been seen in everything from biological systems (overfishing) to taxes on tobacco or alcohol. CCPs greatest asset are its players as they are the ones creating all the narrative that brings in the new players. Once they are gone it's game over forever.

While seeing the rationale in this 'more log-ins yield (some measure of) more content!', I still don't like the idea.
The mechanic is to compel the player to log-in his characters to get rewards. The moment the player starts to feel compelled to do something is the moment he gets bored, and the moment he gets bored is the moment he's thinking to quit. I've seen this happen to me while trying to efficiently run PI on a few characters, I was very close to quitting EVE altogether.
That taught me to stay away from the 'I must do these things every day' mentality, and to look around for what I have fun doing, which is rarely the same thing every day.
So, first and foremost, i.m.o. CCP should aim to avoid introducing potentially boring mechanics (and correct those in place now, like PI!).
Also, it is the long term effect of the mechanic that should be considered not the first few days, unless it is available for a limited time as events like the recent Gurista one.
In this perspective, the very idea of creating 'artificial log-ins' by compelling players into repetitive routines starts on the wrong foot.
The aim should rather be to expand on the fun part of game, and have more real, rather than artificial, log-ins.

Fly safe o7

IMHO TDLR thread. So I am probably voting rather than being original.

SP is a good prize if you are making guarantees. But how many SP depends on your real goals.

For what I think CCP is proposing the reward should only be 1K-4K SP.

Getting people to log in for 3-5 minutes is easy. Getting them to do some very short game play of less than 10 minutes is not much harder. Either way some might stay logged on AFK. But AFK don't usually get further involved.




#1 I realize the simple login goal is necessary but this smells of running up login stats for external investors as real immediate purpose.

#2 I also know all of us including CCP do have concerns about numbers of truly involved players.

So I need to put my game and personal goals on hold even longer?

Better idea use game mechanics to make players want to log in because they enjoy it not because they feel compelled to do it