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You should log-in to a game because the game is interesting to play and not because you get something out of logging in. The real issue CCP face is they are not able to produce a game where we will log-in every day just out of our own will to play the game so they are resorting to artificial method to get us to log-in more often what we usually do.

we are not complaining about it becoming a modern MMO we are complaining about it losing the sandbox

After briefly reading through 81 pages of players from all backgrounds and experience levels mostly saying, "No!" ...I also have to add my voice to this, because it feels wrong to not say something even if it falls on deaf ears.

I've played a lot of MMO's in my day and the daily challenges/tasks get repetitive and nothing burns me out faster. Which is what made EVE such a stellar game that keeps me coming back year after year, to pay to play even. I could undock and didn't feel required to do X, Y, or Z for the day...I could undock and do anything I wanted. Not to mention that the 3+ mil theoretical SP per year of doing the daily thing is no insignificant amount of SP, so even at my level I feel I'd be missing out by not doing them, even if I don't want to do it.

I get that CCP is looking for more daily logins, but I think this type of "incentive" to get people to log in is the wrong type of deal and misrepresents what EVE is and how different from every other MMO it is. Let's not dumb down EVE, if I wanted to play WoW or whatever other grindy game there is nowadays, I would go do that. But I play EVE where we're a bit more elevated than the daily grind.

If you want to reward people with small amounts of SP, give it for doing things in game, not just undocking to kill an NPC and dock back up. Give SP for actually completing the goals of the game via the tutorials, the opportunities, etc. That way it would benefit the lower SP people, who are the ones most in need of it , and it gets them out of the rut of highsec to learn just how fantastic of a game it is, how utterly sandbox it can be, and hopefully they'll find their niche in game and stick around. In EVE the stars are the limit.

Injector don't create time...

But bonus SP don't create time either... You still have 24h/day, your prod won't go faster, your PI don't get of the supply chain faster, the belts/anomalies/signatures won't respawn faster, ... Combats vs NPC won't go faster (nor slower)...

So it's time to stop throwing a tamtrum... CCP choice is a sensible one and if you don't like it, you may quit EVE, I won't care !!!

HAH oh how wrong you are. As I said earlier in this thread, all the SP farming alts, they create SP, create time, out of thin air since you can sell the injectors for enough to cover a plex to continue farming and get two cyno/trade/etc. alts out of the deal as well. This is in fact no different, except for the use of the plex. More demand for plex is a good thing though.

Lets also not forget the fact that injectors Destroy SP if anyone over 5mill SP uses them. An astronomic amount of SP has been lost to the aether since injectors came out.

End of the day your post was a complete and utter lie and nothing you say will change that. Very sad.

Lets look at the ISK injection issue!

Too much raw isk injection is bad for the eve economy. Like, very bad. Isk faucets is a very real and very big thing that CCP has to manage in EvE and I bet the sums they made pointed to any non insignificant amount of ISK they can give the players for this would quickly do very bad things (TM) to the Eve economy. So a raw ISK injection is something they should not do, at least, not in this way. Even suggesting an ISK injection shows extreme lack of understanding of how eve works. Very dissapointed.

This is clearly a way to compete for the "idle computer time" that many people have... these times where anything is good... surfing, posting on forums, watching a video on youtube, ...

This will make EVE an interresting target for that "idle time"...

And, well, like most MMO, EVE is also a "social game"... When you connect, you usually chat a little on corp channel or other... which will give you motivation to come back...

It matters because the game is more interesting and attractive it it feels populated. Eve is an interconnected game with a persistent world, so the consequences of my actions actually has an effect even after I'm logged off. However for every minute you are logged on, the possibility of interaction with other players is higher. Other people being the main draw of a massive multiplayer experience. But some actions have a much greater effect than others. And one hour of active play can be more important than other hours, even if that hour is spent doing the same kind of activity. That's the butterfly effect.

Actually no, if you do the dailies for 50 days you will have gained 500k SP. You then put it in an injector and sell the injector and... you get your 13mill ISK per 10k SP. Injectors might have less value to you because of your SP total but you're just twiating the numbers to fit YOUR narritive.

Also you can only do this ONCE A DAY. I can make 200mill/h (or you your 50ish heh) every hour. So again, twisting numbers to fit your pov. Lets get some objectivity here.

I hope that a Dev makes it this far to read my two cents.

1. I don't like the overall idea. Eve is about gaining skill *without* needing to log on. It jives well with living a healthier life, knowing I don't have to grind and can continue to advance. I know that I will do dailies every day (I hope sleepers count) and that is on me to be able to deal with the emotional aspect of now having to level grind on top of the natural grind.

2. This will change the market for multiple account training. Fact. If i just need a few skills on an alt, I can work that out without buying a whole month of training.

3. "We don't want you to farm your alt, thats why no pvp... yada yada." - why not make it so you can get credit for activity by killing a given toon once? "But this will make fight clubs..." you mean where players have to interact with each other? I thought that was the point. Sucks for the database that has to keep track, but it can't be *that* much data.

4. Seems like a slippery slope. Skill extractors were just launched, and to get the community to go along with the idea, the Devs said that the only way skills came into the game was through time. So, not two months later, that's changed. "Well, we aren't going to become like other MMO's, look, sandbox, citadels!". But the slope is clearly apparent. If the business model this game is predicated on is not financially viable, and the only way to survive is to attract a different type of new player, just be honest with the community. If you know that things have to change, that the old customer won't like the changes, but it will attract new customers or new business activity, don't misrepresent the process to the old customers, promising that things aren't really changing, when it is clear that they are, and continue to do so. Pretending that Eve is the same after a change like this, coupled with skill extractors and injectors, is unfair to your old time customers who purchased a different product with different rules. Just be honest with us about what the direction is and why. (A short TL;DR for this portion : Saying in a dev post "the only way skills come in to the game is through time" one month, and changing that literally two months later, is unfair to your customers).

5. This would be a great idea for new players, and should phase out the longer a toon is around. Best of both worlds, it promotes new players to keep logging on (to develop the habit), but protects invested players who have an advantage precisely because they have been around for so long.

6. I know, I *know* this will change in the future, so that different activities are rewarded differently. The posts that are coming about how "Why does he get the same SP for killing a high sec pirate NPC as I do for killing a sleeper in a C5??!?", there will be these posts, and there will be a repsonse. Let us all be honest.

TL;DR. I don't like the idea. I will keep playing, as long as there is fun to be had.

As I have already explained elsewhere in this thread, logging in for 10 minutes a day to do a PVE task is not conducive to generating the butterfly effect. CCP Rise suggests I should be able to complete this on my lunch break. If I only log in on my lunch break (which I cannot do anyway because of my job), I cannot afford to get into an hours long hunt or B-R style battle. So, I have every incentive to do my task, avoid other players, and log off again. Nor does the task require me to risk an attractive target. I can kill a belt rat in a matter of seconds in a Vexor or T3D and be basically immune to interacting with other players.

This mechanic is only conducive to boosting the log in numbers for the day. But why does that statistic matter? The game has a subscription model. The only reason this statistic would matter is if the subscription numbers look terrible and some manager wants to post "Subscriptions are down X%, but daily activity is up over 9000%!" In short, it is a meaningless statistic only useful for dishonest purposes. At least such will be my assumption until I hear otherwise from CCP.