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Hm I never thought about how the skill queue changes affected daily logins. And I suppose if it is targeted at everyone and not just new players then sp is definitely the way to go. Alright I'm willing to give this a shot.

CCP used to believe this, yes.

More or less SP isn't the question. Why they are resorting to artificial reason to make us log in instead of making the game more interesting so we log every day instead of every other day for example?

but people like you can have +5 implants plugged in all day every day, people who are active and in space most of the time can't so actually it balances out.

Before I get into why I feel how I feel I just want to say this.

I don't feel pressured to log in to complete dailies for the SP. Since starting EVE there have always been players with more SP than me, and there always will be. Sure it's nice if I can get some extra SP real quick but overall the impact to me in game wont even be noticed.

CCP is a business, they're creating an incentive. The goal being more player connections on average per day. From what they've told us they used to have that incentive with the 24hr queue restrictions and it was lost with previous changes. The unique nature of CCPs business is that their bottom line is directly connected to players enjoyment. If CCP feels that players generally enjoy the game more when more people are flying around, then they're accomplishing both goals at the same time with this change. More players online, more players see them and feel like they're part of something, CCP makes more money.

They've also told us that players are more likely to stay connected longer once they've actually logged in. To me that is really not hard to believe. You might see a friend on, fly a new ship and want to pvp, warp to a belt for your rat kill and see some juicy ore, the list is endless given the nature of the game. It's unrealistic to expect that literally every person is just going to sign in, kill a rat, and log off right after. Even if that's they're intention chances are it wont play out that way. For people who have other commitments and only have time for something like that, its still there for them. Lastly for people who can't log on at all, I'll say it again, who cares? 10k SP is really not that much, sure it adds up over the course of a year but either way you're going to be able to accomplish what you want in this game without logging in literally every day to do you daily.

The point is they want people to log on, if only for a few minutes because they're banking on the fact that a percentage of those people will stay logged on for a decent amount of time. The best way to do this, no question, is to offer SP rewards. There is literally nothing else that would compare as an incentive.

I'm happy about the change, I feel like I wont have to go out of my way to kill something since I do that every time I log on anyways. I'm looking at is free SP whenever I play.

I really hope the devs read this:

As a person who has a background in psychology, multiple game experiences, and is currently still a newbro in eve. I think this idea has a lot of potential for new player retention, but it must be implemented carefully to not destroy the current balance of things.

The problems that come along with adding an incentive to anything is that it eliminates the intrinsic value of the task by placing an internal motivator on it. How this applies to eve is that this may motivate people to only log on for the rewards. Also it may facilitate burnout of the game.

However as a newbro I think that this system would be useful to help bridge the massive skill point gap between new and old players and also the gap between the newbro and accessing deeper and more engaging content.

To implement this system correctly (If you disagree I am more than willing to engage more about the reasons why) there must be a few guidelines that must be done:

Implement this system specifically for the newbro by putting a skillpoint cap that these missions will no longer be accessible: I'm thinking around 10-15m sp. 10-15 million sp allows for the individual to still have to put enough time in his character and invest in it but also it's not enough that later level players will feel slighted. The secondary benefit is that players already invested in the game and enjoy it for it's intrinsic value wont feel like that's being taken away from them.

Limit the amount of daily's one can do to 1 per account and 1 daily mission per day. In total 1 mission per day, regardless of what type of daily it is. But also in contrast provide a daily for each of the different career paths. So for miner: mine x amount of ore or gas. For a pirate: Engage in a fight in lowsec. For a hauler: Haul an item from one station to another. But have doing one of these mission lock the others out. This is to reduce the feeling the neccessity to engage in tasks they don't want to do. For example: If I enjoy pvp I don't want to feel like I have waste time to haul something everyday less I miss out on 10k sp.

By providing a daily for each career path it allows for people to continue to specialize in the field that they enjoy without feeling forced into activities they don't want to do.

So overall I think this could be a good method to provide player retention but only if it is focused on the new players and getting them up to speed. Adding this to all players would remove the time based progression system that many EVE players come to enjoy and one of the heavily motivating factors that keep the population in the game.

much ado about nothing...

I still call bollocks. You're still gaining skill points in the normal way this just adds 10,000 SP per day. Have I missed something?

Your so called "grind" is literally just kill a rat and gain 10,000 SP every 22 hours. It's not like it's going to break the bank or anything.

Hell, I don't actively attack rats. I mine and while sitting in belt I have my drones out. They go out and attack rats. So they'll kill one rat and I get 10,000 SP. It's not a grind for me like trying to gain kudos with a station in order to reduce tax on refining. THAT was a grind. This is just a nice little extra for me doing what I normally do.

I have concerns that a task based, daily SP reward per toon will drive eve play into a shopping list mentality, with the focus on the individual. I see this as a bad thing.

A lot of eve play is spontaneous and situational - something unusual comes up and it generates a momentum all of its own. Reds turn up, a wormhole is found, a site is scanned, a good market deal or contract appears, even someone special logs in! changes what you may do in eve on any given day.

With daily SP rewards - I have concerns that it will have a big impact on HOW people play and interact with others, to only get a little reward.

"Nope i cant do that cool thing/pvp fleet/move op/wormhole dive/run boosts for my friends/Corp because I haven't finished rotary dialing through my alts.... "

Daily rotary dialing of alts is also tedious and those doing it will feel happy to do it, yet exhausted by it and seek to 'get it out of the way' in the easiest, most painless way possible (and hence has no meaning). Those boycotting it because their eve play is already meaningful and busy, will feel vaguely like they are missing out and will see people around them become unavailable due to this 'feature' for the first hour? of their time.

I liked how it was put by Cookiesofdoom:



No 'Daily rewards' for EVE per toon, please.

CCP is doing this all wrong. How about if it would be made so that unless you do the daily you would slowly deteriorate the existing skill points and by doing the daily you could hold to current SP level :).

Seriously I don't like the idea of daily. Some solutions how a new player could gain SP little faster would be welcomed but generic grind like that - no thank you.

If the daily is introduced I just wonder how many accounts will be unsubed due it, I see it as bigger threat to the game than walking stations. Does anyone remember why Hilmar apologized the players back then?

Vasama