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This is while in Orbit mode.

When targeting wrecks, noticing an oddity. No matter whether the wreck is in the foreground of background of where my ship is, all names, lines vertical and horizontal from the targeting, etc. has said wreck in the foreground. Between 'me' and where my ship is in space. I'm finding this very jarring, immersion breaking, and when trying to speed through looting rather annoying since distances appear 'wrong' when heading from one to another.

Another way to explain it. While all of 'space' around me gives a good illusion of 'infinite in all directions', targeted wrecks are on an obvious 2D only layer in environmental graphics while using the Orbit Mode camera setting. Near and far do not show up with targeted objects, that is all on one layout, closer to 'me' rather than in reference to my ship's location.

Still not thrilled we'll have our option of the old camera removed, but since that option was never on the table, this is the best I can offer for a constructive suggestion to make this new camera more functional.

>Jeven

With 3 clients its pretty easy for logging to exceed the 15MB size even over relatively quick to reproduce problems (less than 8 minutes) .

Unfortunately compressed log files do not seem to be allowed. Suggest you allow compressed log files or create a log editing tool for users that preserves key client startup info while allowing players to remove all but the last x minutes of logged data (clip out the middle stuff like flying to the situation to be reproduced).

Or of course you can simply allow uploading larger log files. Just throttle the upload speed at the bug report interface since network congestion would seem to be the only real reason to limit log size.

( Storage space shouldn't really be an issue since EVE is edging into petabytes for online working storage. And pretty sure the user bug problem is at the end of most log files -- meaning its easy to find. But the solution should be simple if that is the issue because players keep playing etc. Obviously CCP software for replay of log files could tap into periodic timestamps to jump directly to areas of interest based on user reports that included comments like "issue became noticeable at approximately 19:37. Ideally CCP log replay software would then let debuggers scroll forward and backward from that timestamp. )

// No nothings changed you still have to:
1) hold your short cut key, and click with the mouse on what you want to look at
2) move the camera around until you find those funny brackets around your own ship, then click on them//



//Manual piloting requires double clicking in space
While spamming double clicks in space
Its easy to accidentally click and drag <- this is the problem, disabling click and drag to stop tracking would be a solution
which causes the camera to stop tracking i.e. become a liability/useless
To start tracking again you have to click on the object you want to track
I feel like this has been changed because of the new click and drag to select stuff in space?
However I do know that click and drag to select stuff in space doesn't make it easier to track my own ship//



Sorry I haven't trained forum poasting and when ever I tried to correctly quote and reply it said I had reached the 5 quote limit.

That would be great!


Further examples of me pushing the UI and getting frustrated
I personally have (on a us keyboard)
q = orbit w = keep at range e = approach
a = stop s = full speed d = prop (R and onwards highslots D and onwards mid slots v and onwards lowslots)
z = align x = warp to c = activate/dock etc.
so basically the wsad commonly found in fps/rts etc.

but the problem I have is qwe zxc all require a mouse click to work
they dont work as shortcuts they become long cuts
as clicking on the show info buttons is a single action
while using the shortcuts is two actions

side note:
also I'm a big fan of using the arrow keys on the keyboard to select things in my overview (up and down unbinded with left and right bound to next and previous tab)

for example: fleet broadcasts get moved to the top of the overview, so all I do is set my overview as focus hit down hit align
and this is awesome/ lazy / efficient / precise
but I can't take this further, if I press down with the overview selected too early, its back to two action solutions
the major problem being theirs no way to skip back to the top (it would be nice if hold down the up/down key for x amount of time it skips to the top or bottom, instead of having to go through every thing on my overview when I hold down up or down)

but back to the main thing
the keyboard shortcuts for the show info window, should actually work exactly like clicking on the show info window works
short of that
the object i have selected is always selected unless I choose otherwise
so that if I'm fighting I can click on something lock it, then hit the keep at range/orbit/approach keys without having to use the mouse
(i.e. I don't have to select the object I'm focusing every time I'm using a keyboard shortcut)

as I said the show info box already does this
kind of
if I click on the show info buttons they all work as expected
i.e. i can click approach (one action) then if i want to orbit I can click orbit (one action)
compared with using the keyboard shortcuts and having to make two actions (one with each hand/two actions)

so the keyboard shortcuts don't do anything by themselves, so they aren't really shortcuts

In short I want to be able to play without using a mouse/having to use a mouse lol

And just to repeat what has been repeated a lot before
the new probe windows should work how the overview works
i.e. if i click on something in the probe window my camera snaps to it/tracks its/etc.
so I can D scan it / see it inspace
the new mini floating solar system map thing is great
and for new guys / people in new space it must be a boon, it is great for quickly getting your bearings in new space
but for combat I still prefer to rely on my own spatial awareness of the solar system I'm in, and the surrounding systems
and I've found even with the new fancy solar system map open I hardly actually use it to position myself in space
and if I'm working with someone in another system I need to be using my brain anyway as I can't see the system next doors map
for example: in FW I can see the plexs in my probe window but the only way I can actually dscan them/see them in space/make use of this information, is by selecting them on the overview, for FW plexs if it isnt on your overview nones inside it, but its just extra pain having to cross reference, (or hovering over the green brackets in space lolwut), making the new probe window work like the overview in relation to camera (as it used to work is a must)

Would you rather the devs spend time doing their jobs or commenting on bug reports? I'd imagine they get so many bug reports that it takes a huge chunk of time to even read them, let alone respond to each one.

Whoops forgot to quote your reply in my reply above

After a couple weeks of use the new camera is really growing on me. With the inertia slider a bit to the right and all the options turned off, it's a lot like the old camera but with more responsive zooming. There are only two things that have been annoying me:
1. The difference between horizontal and vertical sensitivity. Looking more than a few degrees up or down feels slow and tiring because it requires double the mouse movement for the same change in angle.
2. Pressing the dscan hotkey after clicking an item on the overview snaps the camera to that item. It's really bothersome because I'm constantly clicking things on the overview to lock them or switch targets, and refreshing dscan with the hotkey. Having the camera start tracking whatever I last clicked before refreshing dscan is annoying when using 360° scan and a huge hindrance when trying to fight while tracking a target or keeping a cone dscan in a certain direction. I propose either separating the refresh hotkey from the one to track a target and scan in its direction, or making it only do that when clicking while holding the key, rather than tapping the key after clicking on something.

There's also some graphical bug where the target lock circle and crosshairs disappear when zooming out with a Large Collidable Structure like some mission objectives locked. I reported that, and it may be related to rendering instead of camera.

Please try going to the Esc menu, Display&Graphics tab, ticking off Dynamic FOV and Dynamic Center Offset, and setting the inertia slider all the way to the right (stiff). This should make the new camera feel almost identical to the old one.


Hello

Thank you Turtlepower

I have done as you suggested on SiSi, it is much more like the existing camera this way, though i did not turn the slider 100% to stiff i found about 3/4 did not roll terribly bad. I would suggest that this be the 'default' if you are going to release this.

Instead of people getting a whole new experience which is very disruptive, why not approach this from
1... Here is what you have this is the default setting
2... Here are the new features - this bouncy stuff, first person etc. - to turn these on do 'x'

As for additional feedback.....can you turn the three buttons for this into one button? Sort of like the Probe Button that you can click and it gives the three options? It would save on real estate and perhaps allow you to put the button in the same column as the other four.

I found that the new column of dedicated camera buttons (which to be honest - I suspect most people are not going to use) pushed everything out of wack on my HUD and set up. I had to resize drone screen, chat etc... Until I figured out how to turn it off. That being said if we are moving forward with this I would like to see less on the UI not more. And individual buttons that are rarely used can I think benefit from that type of interface (like the one for probes).

Cheers

~R~

Never mind looks like it will implemented.

Thanks. However, I'm still a little confused as to why you seem to have time to reply to everyone else posting issues in this thread.

I think you may have missed what I'm saying. As far as I can tell, _every single_ issue - bug, feature request, whatever - raised in this thread has received a CCP response, even the giant walls of text... except one.