Crime & Punishment

We actually live in npc 0.0 and teach carebears how to live in null but that's besides the point. Still wanting to know what the deal is with this.

I wish my alliance wasn't wardecced 24/7, else I'd join you. Tears are great and you haven't even done anything yet.

I am (largely) a carebear, and if you kill me while I am running an incursion I will cry. If you kill the incursion before my wallet is full, I will prolly whimper a little.

But I applaud you for at least making some effort, rather than all the anti-incursion bleating and moaning that seems to be going on in other forums. Dunno whether you got a fat ass or not, but good onya for getting off it and doing **something**.

I will retain some scepticism ... that this amounts to no more than hot air and "Go, bro, go!" backslapping bigtalk ... but all the while I will give you +1 for at least talking-the-talk.

So who killed the Amarr mothership then? Is it true that those dastardly Goons stole your idea?

i know it has already been stated a couple times in this thread, but this has already been done.. er, i mean "tried", and it did NOT work out. HTIDRaver tried this, and it was successful for a few days, but in the end, it failed miserably. iirc, he was merced from several directions; his corp mates bailed on him; and his alliance was eventually dissolved. if that is a future you find pleasant, then i support this

Oh, it took only 6 months of whining over incursions over and over again to form up a thread like this?

What took you so long? :D

OK here's the deal.


If you want to protest the ISK pump that Incursions are, and point out how dumb it is to diss the Sansha mom and grind sites, then most people will have to agree if they fancy themselves logical.

Even the most prolific suicide gankers used to say it was rather odd to get an insurance payout over a ship lost to a criminal act.

"you have to admit...." - always started with words like that.

It's hard to deny how dumb it is to let the mother ship sit there and just grind those sites and rack up the ISK. I was with, and knew a lot of, other players who were all about fighting Sansha because of the Live Event content that precluded Incursions (those live events were called "Incursions") and now most of them won't touch a beared up, canned and neatly packaged monetized incursion with a borrowed 10' pole. What became of those live events to evolve into what they are now was a huge letdown. It's like going to Pandora in the Movie Avatar and finding strip malls and condos everywhere.


But...

(always a but)


if you make it all about "the tears" and treat the matter as if it was a grief fest, essentially screaming "it's a sandbox" while making it your goal to take the pale and shovel, bonk the other kids over the head with them, and then point and laugh, then mommy (CCP) is going to treat you like a brat and take the pale and shovel away. There will be a mechanic change (already was to the aggro rules because of this very thing) or nerf/buff and there will be more threads like this with the main difference of an abundance of tears.

The simple truth is that the "rest of us" who are not out harvesting tears and hiding behind some cause or excuse (it's a game, blah blah) for doing it can easily see through those who do. Funny that those who do it cannot see how transparent they are, but as it is historically proven with sociopaths, they never really see themselves.

tl;dr: you are doing it wrong.

edit: BTW ending incursions by finishing them off would be the best way. Just stick to that, leave all that "tears" crap out of it, and you will accomplish your mission.

Notably, when people complain about incursions, and then are told "well, kill the mom. That'll do it", we see complaints of "we don't have enough people for that". It's rather funny because lowsec and 0.0 dwellers say the same thing to highsec bears, and we see the same complaints.

Yes, Mr Bear in highsec does not want to share his EvE experience and group up or join a corp so when he complains about getting ganked 2 jumps into lowsec he's told "WoW is that way", "HTFU", "learn to interact with others", etc.
But the same can be said about those who want "tears" from incursion bears.

What you need is a mothership takedown team on call, and the channel is a good idea - but FFS get the "tears" crap out of it or you will not get enough people. Be advised that the mothership site hits like a gate camp. I used to fly rookie ships into them, totally left alone by other players, and after losing the ship get closeups of the mom. I would still get LPs for getting rookie ships popped at the site. Go figure.

So essentially what you're saying is that incursions are, all in all, one hell of a lot more fun and involve considerably less dying than you expected?

Hahaha, I got black listed for posting in this thread.
Cos yeah, I run incursions SOOOOO often!!
Bunch of tools....

I was joking And insinuating that strip malls and condos are a lot more fun and involve considerably less dying than going to Pandora. Which may or may not be accurate dependent on how friendly those blue chicks are.