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Incursions: CCP is too slow - now we will act

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#101 - 2012-01-13 07:49:02 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
It's like going to Pandora in the Movie Avatar and finding strip malls and condos everywhere.

So essentially what you're saying is that incursions are, all in all, one hell of a lot more fun and involve considerably less dying than you expected?



No.

The live events were epic.


What they lead up to was not epic.

As for fun? Yeah in the first day when wrecks littered the skies but as soon as people learned how to "game the system" - being a game after all - it got boring. I tried for a while to do noob pugs because the elitism crept in much faster than expected and the noobs were just trying to play the game for fun. Still have the dual RR phoon with logi drones and a cap that can't die to prove it.

I was joking P And insinuating that strip malls and condos are a lot more fun and involve considerably less dying than going to Pandora. Which may or may not be accurate dependent on how friendly those blue chicks are.


If you recall those blue chicks were 3 times the size of a marine.

DEATH BY SNOO SNOO!!!!

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.

Krissada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#102 - 2012-01-13 08:18:09 UTC
Quote:


    New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners

  • Krissada
  • Aiwha
  • Oxandrolone
  • Jack Miton
  • KrakizBad
  • Chitsa Jason
  • Senn Denroth
  • Andy Sharvas
  • Soho Joe
  • Typherian
  • Londor Rogers
  • Asurymen
  • Lyrrashae
  • Poloturion
  • Freundliches Feuer
  • Jovan Geldon
  • Ana K
  • Alexandra Kulikov
  • Hidden Fremen
  • Tallian Saotome
  • Khoda Khan


It is time.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#103 - 2012-01-13 08:21:17 UTC
Krissada wrote:
Quote:


    New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners

  • Krissada
  • Aiwha
  • Oxandrolone
  • Jack Miton
  • KrakizBad
  • Chitsa Jason
  • Senn Denroth
  • Andy Sharvas
  • Soho Joe
  • Typherian
  • Londor Rogers
  • Asurymen
  • Lyrrashae
  • Poloturion
  • Freundliches Feuer
  • Jovan Geldon
  • Ana K
  • Alexandra Kulikov
  • Hidden Fremen
  • Tallian Saotome
  • Khoda Khan


It is time.

WOOT! I'm banned from incursions ShockedLolLolLol

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.

Tian Nu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#104 - 2012-01-13 08:42:06 UTC
I never understand ppl that cry about ppl making ISK on way or another, you better cry to CCP about margin trading cos if you set 3 characters in trading hubs amarr, jita and galente you are making ISK even Chriba can’t handle.
So what you gona doo blow up Jita 4-4 ?
Like someone say ‘natural selection baby’.
To help you out only need 3/6 pilots vaga + 100 MWD bump out of range logi and look the fleet die.
But youre action means **** cos there are still hundred of boots making ISK 24/7.

Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: “Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.”

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#105 - 2012-01-13 09:20:49 UTC
Tian Nu wrote:
I never understand ppl that cry about ppl making ISK on way or another, you better cry to CCP about margin trading cos if you set 3 characters in trading hubs amarr, jita and galente you are making ISK even Chriba can’t handle.
So what you gona doo blow up Jita 4-4 ?
Like someone say ‘natural selection baby’.
To help you out only need 3/6 pilots vaga + 100 MWD bump out of range logi and look the fleet die.
But youre action means **** cos there are still hundred of boots making ISK 24/7.

Posting to confirm boots and other kinds of over-sized shoes are definitely making ISK 24/7.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Freundliches Feuer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2012-01-13 12:05:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Freundliches Feuer
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Krissada wrote:
Quote:


    New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners

  • Krissada
  • Aiwha
  • Oxandrolone
  • Jack Miton
  • KrakizBad
  • Chitsa Jason
  • Senn Denroth
  • Andy Sharvas
  • Soho Joe
  • Typherian
  • Londor Rogers
  • Asurymen
  • Lyrrashae
  • Poloturion
  • Freundliches Feuer
  • Jovan Geldon
  • Ana K
  • Alexandra Kulikov
  • Hidden Fremen
  • Tallian Saotome
  • Khoda Khan


It is time.

WOOT! I'm banned from incursions ShockedLolLolLol


Me too brah, Hi 5 :D
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#107 - 2012-01-13 13:13:58 UTC
banned from what? and who banned you?

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

fuer0n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#108 - 2012-01-13 18:03:54 UTC  |  Edited by: fuer0n
jimmyjam wrote:
The only thing your doing is taking a gang on PVE romp good job on sticking it to the man broBig smile



BTL PUB - save the mom gank fleet forming need ecm boats......................they can aford to do it too Big smile
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#109 - 2012-01-13 18:22:57 UTC
Krissada wrote:
Quote:


    New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners

  • Krissada
  • Aiwha
  • Oxandrolone
  • Jack Miton
  • KrakizBad
  • Chitsa Jason
  • Senn Denroth
  • Andy Sharvas
  • Soho Joe
  • Typherian
  • Londor Rogers
  • Asurymen
  • Lyrrashae
  • Poloturion
  • Freundliches Feuer
  • Jovan Geldon
  • Ana K
  • Alexandra Kulikov
  • Hidden Fremen
  • Tallian Saotome
  • Khoda Khan


It is time.


I'm banned from something I never joined, never visited, probably never got within 30 jumps of, and never cared about. Shocked

Holy crap they mad.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#110 - 2012-01-13 18:36:11 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Krissada wrote:
Quote:


    New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners

  • Krissada
  • Aiwha
  • Oxandrolone
  • Jack Miton
  • KrakizBad
  • Chitsa Jason
  • Senn Denroth
  • Andy Sharvas
  • Soho Joe
  • Typherian
  • Londor Rogers
  • Asurymen
  • Lyrrashae
  • Poloturion
  • Freundliches Feuer
  • Jovan Geldon
  • Ana K
  • Alexandra Kulikov
  • Hidden Fremen
  • Tallian Saotome
  • Khoda Khan


It is time.


I'm banned from something I never joined, never visited, probably never got within 30 jumps of, and never cared about. Shocked

Holy crap they mad.

Why the hell am I not on this list? DAMN YOU BTL I WANT ON THE LIST WITH THE OTHER COOL KIDS! Don't make me come over there and ECM boat your ass.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#111 - 2012-01-13 18:45:25 UTC
Incurbears wrote:


    New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners

  • Krissada
  • Aiwha
  • Oxandrolone
  • Jack Miton
  • KrakizBad
  • Chitsa Jason
  • Senn Denroth
  • Andy Sharvas
  • Soho Joe
  • Typherian
  • Londor Rogers
  • Asurymen
  • Lyrrashae
  • Poloturion
  • Freundliches Feuer
  • Jovan Geldon
  • Ana K
  • Alexandra Kulikov
  • Hidden Fremen
  • Tallian Saotome
  • Khoda Khan

UMADBRO?

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.

Deen Wispa
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2012-01-13 19:15:10 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Pi-Ei One wrote:
Oh, it took only 6 months of whining over incursions over and over again to form up a thread like this?


LOL, thread-forming is one thing ... actually doing it is another altogether.

Prediction? Either:

1. It's all too hard to actually do something, OP talks hot for a while longer and then quietly disappears; or

2. OP is a little more than just hot-air and actually gets something going ... and perhaps even scores a small victory. Then OP discovers the pyrrhic nature of that victory and spends a lot of time afterwards running and hiding ... and bleating at being victimised by the wrath-of-carebears.

Either way is gonna feed some chuckles for some and bleats and moans for others. 'tis just the nature of eve.


Yeah, pretty much. OP better know what he's doing otherwise he's gonna get owned and outplayed by the bears. Getting popcorn ready.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#113 - 2012-01-13 22:42:34 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Pi-Ei One wrote:
Oh, it took only 6 months of whining over incursions over and over again to form up a thread like this?


LOL, thread-forming is one thing ... actually doing it is another altogether.

Prediction? Either:

1. It's all too hard to actually do something, OP talks hot for a while longer and then quietly disappears; or

2. OP is a little more than just hot-air and actually gets something going ... and perhaps even scores a small victory. Then OP discovers the pyrrhic nature of that victory and spends a lot of time afterwards running and hiding ... and bleating at being victimised by the wrath-of-carebears.

Either way is gonna feed some chuckles for some and bleats and moans for others. 'tis just the nature of eve.


Yeah, pretty much. OP better know what he's doing otherwise he's gonna get owned and outplayed by the bears. Getting popcorn ready.




So if a corporation existed for the purpose of taking down moms, for any reason - even an RP reason, we have incursion farmers who will hire mercs and dec them too, to stop them.

So the result would be the same, even without the OP, without all that "tears" crap, and without even any malice towards incursions.

Definitely a problem with the incursion mom mechanics. And once something turns into an ISK pump like tech moons, it's like a government welfare program: impossible to get rid of.

That thing needs to despawn and take every LP and bit of ISK with it when it gets away without being destroyed. And when that happens, we will see the farmers cry a river of tears.

I hope that I am not the only one who gets tired of all that entitlement mentality out there. Makes me think such people deserve to be scammed, blobbed, ganked, and have their corps robbed. Or maybe I been hanging around here too long. Who knows.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

orion scimatarii
Sector 17 Griffon
#114 - 2012-01-14 00:15:49 UTC
Incursion denial flet consists of up to 20 griffin ships and 5 blackbirds

ECM suicide the unsuspecting targets, the LOGI get ECM'd everytime theres confirmed reps going on.
Suicide blackbird ECM ships target the main DPS. The rage tears in local as our wrecks fill their gun ports, Laugh at them.
CCP the butterfly effect can explain this:


1) You create massive risk free isk farming method and you say you want to create an isk sink.
2) Boys and Girls of EVE are shocked that you would be sooooo hypocritical
3) The children of EVE work to your first objective to make it an isk sink


Also, in future:
if you want to do this OP do it with gusto. Set a corp up with 100% tax rate, description should read: "Anti-Incursion highsec Pirates"



Let us play OUR game CCP, the way you intended it for.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#115 - 2012-01-14 00:16:43 UTC
I would join this in a heartbeat.


Except for two things, best i can fly well is a Harb, and I have never done an Incursion (though have done fleet missions with my corp... small scale but might be enough).


But I will join the channel next time I'm in game. At least I could help with planning.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#116 - 2012-01-14 04:32:10 UTC
There seems to be some confusion here.

It's concluded that the best way to beat incursions, is to take down the mothership so it can't be just left there so people can farm sites.

All that "griefing" business is out the window. It's childish and CCP will end up treating it like brats misbehaving in the sandbox. Those who you would claim to be "greifing" can brag that they will replace their losses in a mere hour or two, and a good lot of them would be correct.


On the first day of incursions as they presently are, I did what thousands of others did and took a mission drake into a site and lost it in such a manner that had there been an audience, I would have had to nail the doors of the house shut and burn it down with everybody inside.


The field was littered with dead drakes, domis, fleet stabbers, you name it - with faction and deadspace mods too.

But even a salvage rifter with nanos and MWD could get one-shotted so much for scap-dogging.

But look at it now: people have this figured out. Losses are low. Yes there appears to be a balance around the logi - I've seen logis go down and before the group escapes two or three battleships are lost.

All the "griefers" have to do, if you really want to deny ISK, is finish off the mothership.

This means that all you need is a team big enough, and has it's act together enough, to go in, take down the mom, get out. Period. There's not even PVP involved... until those grinding the sites get peeved and dec the "mom killers" or send mercs at them, something they got the cash to do.

I don't know how many ships it takes to take on that site. I've taken rookie ships to the mom site to have a look and it's as close to an NPC gate camp as you can imagine. If CCP had NPC ships doing camps instead of leaving it to other players, and set them up like that mothership site, they could close off entire sections of space.

But enough people with the right combination of ships and skills, and all you need is a mom take-down team that gets the job done rapidly. Incursion over.

I say this because it's bothersomely bad mechanics to let that thing sit for days while grinding sites. It just plain feels like a bad mistake. Do we let one last ship in a level 4 mission or a sanctum stay alive and tank it until more show up and ship-farm those sites? Can a sleeper combat site be strung along like that? No. (though I have seen sleepers respawn in sits much to my shock and surprise).

Be an adult about this, think about it, get a good crew together, and it's doable.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2012-01-14 05:04:22 UTC
**** off enough highsec incursion bears and you probably will just get decced out of existence, a few hours incursioning will pay for decent mercs.
ShipToaster
#118 - 2012-01-14 05:32:40 UTC
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
**** off enough highsec incursion bears and you probably will just get decced out of existence, a few hours incursioning will pay for decent mercs.


Doubtful as they could easily implement a 100 corp decshield to make wars against them cost five billion a week. 100 not enough, then maybe 200 will do it, or 500.

Or maybe they just want the fights.

Will mercs even do anything to help carebears now when carebears are whining the entire merc wardec system to death?

.

Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#119 - 2012-01-14 05:40:26 UTC
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
**** off enough highsec incursion bears and you probably will just get decced out of existence, a few hours incursioning will pay for decent mercs.

I'll live with being in an NPC corp if it means CCP will look at the abuse of Incursions.

And Herzog, I agree fully with what you said. If we make this about "tears" and such, CCP will not consider this an issue and just look at us as another Hulkaggedon type thing.

Count me in (I think I said that already but oh well). A large enough fleet and that Mom will go down, even without great skill.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2012-01-14 07:08:40 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Krissada wrote:
Quote:


    New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners

  • Krissada
  • Aiwha
  • Oxandrolone
  • Jack Miton
  • KrakizBad
  • Chitsa Jason
  • Senn Denroth
  • Andy Sharvas
  • Soho Joe
  • Typherian
  • Londor Rogers
  • Asurymen
  • Lyrrashae
  • Poloturion
  • Freundliches Feuer
  • Jovan Geldon
  • Ana K
  • Alexandra Kulikov
  • Hidden Fremen
  • Tallian Saotome
  • Khoda Khan


It is time.


I'm banned from something I never joined, never visited, probably never got within 30 jumps of, and never cared about. Shocked

Holy crap they mad.

Why the hell am I not on this list? DAMN YOU BTL I WANT ON THE LIST WITH THE OTHER COOL KIDS! Don't make me come over there and ECM boat your ass.


Why I no make list???

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