Assembly Hall

CCP Wrangler once said : "EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." /end of quote

EVE is not a single player game, albeit it has some single player content, EVE is PvP, even mining is PvP.
EVE is an MMO and it's all about PvP and nobody cares if that PvP is consensual or not.
Everytime i log in, i'm prepared to lose my ship. That's the circle of life in EVE, simple as that.
The sooner you get it, the better for you, otherwise you will for sure leave the game.
If you want to play completely risk averse in 100% Security, then maybe you should choose a single player game like X3- Albion Prelude, because EVE is not that kind of game.
And albeit i'm a HS Industrialist myself,i would for sure quit the game, if one day i log in and i would know there is not even the slightest danger anymore in HS, because that's not what i'm paying monthly fees for.
If EVE goes the risk averse carebear way, i'm outta here, that's for sure!

I hate to dig this here out of the woodshed, but in case this point wasn't already made:

- Gratuitious violence in high security space is actually good for the economy
- Destruction of ships creates more demand for ships/replacement modules
- Destruction of ships causes more mineral consumption which drives up market prices
- Destruction of ships causes those involved in the market to be more profitable

What can be deduced from the above is that most industrial type pilots are involved with markets, as they have to buy/sell/trade/build/harvest/etc. With that said, they will be more competitive with these activities. What can also be deduced is:

- The ones crying about being suicide ganked likely are AFK mining
- The ones crying about being suicide ganked likely are fit for yield as opposed to having any tank on their ships
- The ones crying about being suicide ganked likely don't consider using siege warfare mods/logi/security

Furthermore, the ones complaining about suicide ganks the most are the ones that don't realize:

- High Security is just that, High Security, not Absolute Security
- Undocking your ship is consenting to PvP, whether wanted or not
- Combat in High Security is not going away (consensual, war or otherwise)
- Preying on the weak is an acceptable tactic (see: asset denial/route denial)

So, with that, if it really hurts your delicate sensitivities that badly:
- Show us on the doll where the gankers touched you
- Give me your stuff
- Enter Biomass Queue over

lol eve grew quicker then earlier years, in earlier years there was hardly an advertising market until about 2008 when they opened full blast in the US, in a short time the game got very violent when the average IQ of the player base fell horribly

I am sorry, but what is your point? That Eve didn't grow quicker in the early years, or that you look down on Americans?

Because player counts most certainly grew the fastest in both relative and absolute terms in from 2003-2008 when ganking was much easier, cheaper and probably, more common place. CONCORD was originally tankable, insurance used to cover gank ships, not to mention all the creative ways one could use the CrimeWatch mechanics to flag someone to avoid CONCORD's wrath. It was only after CCP started ratcheting up highsec safety in the 2009-2011 era that the the player counts plateaued and started to decline with the Incursion expansion and its failed attempt to attract additional players.

Now this is just a correlation, and many other things have changed with the game over time, but it is a fact that highsec has never been mechanically more safe than today. Claiming somehow that now, when CCP has spent over 5 years buffing highsec safety to the highest level it has ever been (with yet another significant buff coming next patch), player counts are dropping because highsec isn't safe enough is dubious at best.

The more plausible hypothesis to explain this data is the opposite - that all this increased safety is boring players out of the game. But I doubt even CCP, with access to all their data, can determine exactly what factor, or combination of factors is responsible for the stalled growth of the game.

Based on my own 20+ years history of playing PC games and MMOs, I am sure that any eventual complete riddance of high-sec ganking will have a small impact on the number of EVE subscribers. It should be a positive one, as the nimber of gankers is relatively small and will be offsetted by the number of HS people who will stay longer in game.

The reason EVE is shrinking in a growing MMO market is that it fails competing for the target demographics! The typical MMO player is no longer a teenager or young male, who is willing to spend 40+ hours a week chasing pixels. There are now more and more people in their 30s or 40s, who log in for less than an hour in order to chill - the casuals. Just look at the recruitment part of the forum.

CCP Falcon may have designed a game, where you should be a little nervous when you login, but nowadays more and more people actually login to relax. And EVE is not worth it fior them. They can have much more meaningful time in other games - both in PVP or PVE.

No - I am too old to change attitude. I will uninstall the game the second I stop to enjoy it on my terms. I am already doing it the best it can be done.

There are many more games out there that are probably better and it is not up for me, or you, or anybody else than CCP to decide what they want from their game.

Out of curiosity - do you think that CCP should scrap the whole idea of high sec and retire CONCORD entirely? The game numbers should expolde, right?

Why is that when somebody makes a point alot of people think taking the counter point to a completely idiotic extreme somehow refutes the initial point?

Perhaps you should invest in a dictionary...or heck just use google, "definition balance". That should help you out.

Now you are being deliberately obtuse. Your counter example was completely and totally moronic. Nobody has advocated for removing HS and/or CONCORD. NS and HS need each other. So I have never advocated such a completely stupid and foolish position. You brought it up try and be clever, but you failed miserably and showed us you cannot provide a cogent response.

Eve has always been a niche game and it is one of the few sandbox games. Sandbox games mean you can do what you want so long as you are willing to face the in-game consequences. Making it so you can no longer do that is a fundamental change to the game.

Despite being told all this when you first started playing, you are playing the wrong game. You sit there and want the game change to suit your needs despite the fact that the vast majority of players know what the game is about and changing it could drive out a very large number of players well before they could be replaced by players looking for theme park style games.

So your argument is weak at best. And please, spare us the "there are lots of people in HS". First, not all of them view the game like you do. Second, how many of them are NS alts? I have 2 characters that live in HS. And then there are those who live in HS and are fine with the sandbox nature of the game. So just pointing to the number of players in HS is not at all useful.

I think that is part of the problem. Lots of players are now older and they have families, careers, etc. that take them away from the game and in many cases maybe permanently. And these players won't come back if the game becomes a theme park, IMO.

Or you know...you could have friends in game.