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here you are again spouting nonsense. the uproar is all about the devblog being vague/unclear. so unless CCP clears things up, this is just a silly assumption.

first post : ..


but to be 101% sure if any CCP happends to come by could re-confirm the status ..



to dig into the overlays rule ..




i read fom it u cant use a overlay to gain an advantage from multiple clients .. however eve-o more like uses thumbnails of the full clients so u can see and switch between em .. hek the new launcher has a option to switch between active clients .. and thumbnails .. try useing win+tab keys .. similar things ull see there .. if eve-o is illegal the win+tab key should be banned too :))

if u can read past first lines then i did note if a ccp came along to confirm the status of eve-o or trashs it ...


on a short story .. useing Win+tab gives u pretty much the same outcome as eve-o .. will it get banned too ? .. and setting up multiple clients across the screen wizely u can see the modules statuses and whatnots .. the advantage allready starts by useing multiple accounts .. eve-o can be used by everyone so is it really an advantage ?

I did read past that, I simply cut the quote down. I understand what you are saying, I'm simply saying don't rely on one EVE dev posting like a year ago as proof that eve-o preview is exempt from the rules.

No it doesn't, since it pulls the focus off of the active client into the DWM. Eve-o preview allows you to be interacting with one eve client while looking at the inactive clients without having to switch to them. You can then respond to an inactive client the moment you see something happening. With wit+tab you need to press that to look at them, you can't just see the previews by default.

It's an advantage against those who don't use it. The fact that it's free doesn't matter. You couldn't make a free bot and say "everyone can use it so it's fair".

I've probably done a fairly noob mistake here. I edited the XML files and it stopped running. Deleting the XML files makes it run again but it doesn't seem to use the XML files anymore!

A) Apart from XML files in its own folder where else could it be storing settings that I need to nuke?
B) What do I need to avoid when editing the XML to leave them valid? I introduced nothing that wasn't already present on another character's settings.
C) Is there a way to move the preview windows if I remove the borders? this is the main thing I'm likely to be trying to jiggle numbers in the XML file for.


Reproduction steps:
I fired it up and arranged one character for each of my accounts. So far, so good.

I then edited the layout xml files with the plan of duplicating characters within the same account rather than set them up manually.

I shuffled the order of the characters in the client_layout and flat_layout files, also tidied up some pixel differences by copy/pasting the height/width data and the y location of the preview file. This was done with the basic Win10 notepad.

Saved it, fired up eve-o preview and waited. Tried again. No preview, nothing in task manager.
Tried running it as admin, no success.

Deleted the xml files, fired up eve-o and it worked so something I changed in the XML files borked it. As an added bonus deleting the XML files hasn't resulted in it recreating them, it seems to partially remember some of the settings for the program itself though.

Deleting the exe and copying a fresh version from the downloaded archive dosen't fix things either. Searching registry for eve-o didn't yield any saved settings apart from a crash report debug and two compatibility settings. I nuked the compatibility bits.

Does it not still store the xml in a random appdata folder sometimes? I know it used to have an issue where sometimes it would create a random apddata folder with a bunch of xml files and you had to change the location of the exe file itself to get it to use local xml files again, so failing other things, try copying the exe file and the xml files you've got for it to a new folder and running it from there. I think it's something that happens when you're using some of environment path variables in .NET, or possibly if you're not specifying a root path and just aiming for a file directly.

User/Appdata/Local did indeed have an _ folder with subfolders that were all eve-o preview related. user.cfg was the only file in there. Nuking that hasn't restored XML file creation but did seem to help re-default things.

Renaming the executable redefaults things. Renaming the folder redefaults things.

Neither restores XML files going in to the same folder as the executable.


If it really has put them somewhere random then surely it needs to find them somehow? If I try and use windows search for recently modified XML files Cortana pops up wanting more permissions. It sounds like it may be time to go find a third party search/file indexing tool.



Thanks for reading and responding. If I can fix what I broke then this looks like it'll be very handy.

I wiped the ones I edited and a search for files modified today didn't turn up any relevant .xml files on the hard disk. The Eve-o preview folder literally only contains the EXE currently. I did try putting in some data-less XML files too that just had the header and no characters, no joy.

Thanks Lucas Kell. I've updated the OP with the link and the quote.

@Basil Vulpine: I'll try to look into some things on my end this weekend and get back to you on Monday. Your problems are.....interesting to say the least.

Its a good news for all of us now.