EVE General Discussion

Speaking of injectors, ya'll got any of them injectors?

Are you a character seller or buyer?

I ask because I don't know of anyone not heavily invested in that area who would consider the game killed because of characters there being stripped of SP.

what a load of crap. so, would "1st" class customers buy PLEX to sell for isk if nobody buys it?

as an occasional PLEX seller, all subscribers are important and all are equal, there's no "1st" or "2nd" class

I'm afraid even these kind of thread won't be enough give CCP a clue on how dumbfoundingly stupid this SP trading feature is. These guys have clearly lost their vision on what Eve was and have given in to mankind's greatest weakness......GREED.

It's now too late trying to convince those greedy clueless imbeciles that this feature will completely wreck this game in the long term because they lack foresight. They can only see the NOW benefits and anything beyond 3-6 months is CCP rolling the dice. But who knows, they may get lucky and attract a new breed of scrub players willing to pay them a fortune to be able to fly that Titan that they've had wet dreams about flying until now.

One thing I can say for certain is that this game's player base is gonna change from the long-time loyalist into the insta-gratifying scrubs. And CCP is gambling that the insta-gratifying scrubs are gonna make them rich overnight and make up the lost of income from the long-time loyalist that wises up and quit this game. As Falcon has stated, "time will tell".

Personally I'm hoping CCP fail in this gamble and that this game gets wiped out of existence because they've become too greedy and arrogant. CCP thinks that they can control the player base to go along with whatever they desire because to them, the player base are their livestock, not respective costumers.

Before the SP trading change (when the game was still called Eve), I was playing this game at least 40 hours on 6 clients a week. Now I play it for maybe 2 hours on 2 clients a week (for PVP only). When that experience ends (and it will very soon), then I shall depart from this game forever (DoomHeim Style).

Then quit. Vote with our wallet. Go. Get lost. Unsub. Good bye. Leave. Get out. Get the **** out. Etc.

Oh, can I have your stuff.

Are you gonna refund me the money that I've already paid CCP 2 months ago?? Didn't think so, so shut the hell up. I'll quit when I feel like it. But I'll definitely quit within the time frame of my remaining sub time in the next 4 months, so keep your panties on dear.

He might not, but I will.

In fact, I'll double anything you convert to PLEX and contract to me as a show of good faith.

Mr Epeen

What disturbs me most about all forms of RMT in EVE is the fact that it brings RL-inequality into the game. It's simply no longer a level playing field if you can buy advantages with real life funds.

Sure, ISK and SP alone will not win you fights but for all the talk in this thread, they do certainly help a great deal. For example, one of the golden rules of EVE is "never fly anything you can't afford to lose" but what does that mean if some people can replace any losses with RL money while other people can’t afford this option? Just because someone lives in a country/economy with a currency that is weak towards the dollar and euro they should be at a disadvantage? How is that in any way fair?

So if two players with the same level of player skill and the same amount of time for EVE both play the game but one of them can afford to drop 1000 dollars extra per year on a second account, PLEX or injectors then that player will clearly have an advantage over the other player. Does this mean that the poorer player will never be able to compete with the richer player? Certainly not. EVE is a complex game and most fights are not won by who has more ISK or SP. But if you for example can afford to put a faction point on your ship and not care if you lose it (because you can replace it as often as you like by selling PLEX) and the other player can only do that one or two times before running out of ISK and being forced to spend their time grinding ISK then that does seem pretty damn unfair. It gets even more unfair if the rich player can also afford a second subscription with a links alt with perfect skills and a perfectly kitted links ship. Sure, it still won't ensure that the richer player will win but it definitely stacks the odds in the richer persons favour. And in case the richer player happens to lose then he can simply re-buy everything with PLEX and even re-train the subsystem skill that he lost on his link alt ,instantly. I thought the skill loss in tech 3 ships was implemented so you can't simply spam t3 ships... Now you can spam them without any problem as long as you're able to afford it.

I don't understand how this RMT stuff is an advantage for anyone involved (expect CCP who is earning more money on RMT). For the richer player it devalues his victory because anyone can claim that he only won thanks to his extra funds (which translates into the ability to field more expensive gear in riskier situations, better implants, links alts etc.) and for the poorer player it reduces the chance of being successful without investing more time in the game then the rich person (or becoming rich themselves and spending an equal amount on EVE).

This kind of thing just doesn't sit well with me at all.

A subscription-based game should provide a level playing field for all subscribers and not allow RL-inequality to influence the game.

And this is coming from someone who was lucky enough to be born in a rich country and who has a good job and enough RL-money. But I still find it wrong that these facts should influence my EVE experience in any way (except perhaps buying a skin for a ship or other such cosmetic details that don't increase my chance of success).

This kind of RMT cheapens the game experience if you know that you can simply pull out your credit card and compensate for in-game mistakes or outright incompetence with RL-cash (especially when many other people don’t have that option). This is only worse for a global game like EVE that pitches people from rich countries with people from poor countries against each other. At least in games like World of Tanks or WOW there are different servers with different pricing (because people in Russia simply earn less per month then people in EU – especially if you consider currency exchange rates). The only way to prevent this inequality is to remove the possibility to buy advantages in-game with out-of-game funds.

Legal ISK-buying is bad enough, buying skills just serves to amplify the inequality even further.

A bad move CCP.

N O T H I N G !

It is hard to understand from a business perspective why CCP is not rewarding people directly for their loyalty to the game. It would be so easy for them to build a reward system with in-game items based on subscription time (the actual time paid for, not the time from toon creation). At the simplest, give everybody a Gecko at every subscription anniversary, and a gold Magnate at their tenth anniversary. Something like that...