EVE General Discussion

But your suggestion would not get me more fun. My fights happen with or without points. So removal changes little. You would be wasting a vast amount of development time on balancing out the idea which could be spent on developing new ships and modules which would increase my fun. So why?

Also, there are ways to kill a ship before it runs. It's using ships that may have low damage per second but do high volley damage. In EVE, this is called Alpha damage. It is a common fleet design concept in nul or other groups who want to kill ships before repairs from logi ships land. By removing points, people would just opt for more alpha fleets, which work better the more numbers people hav3. In the end, you just see N+ scenarios where the fleet with the biggest numbers win and EVE becomes a race to join the largest group only. That doesn't strike me as fun or leading to more fun for all. That is just dull blobbing to win. Why encourage that?

I see a lot of assertions that that is already true.

TL;DR: OP wants Eve to be nerfed again, wonders why people disagree with him.

But it is not. With points, I can hold an enemy fleet in space. This allows those on my side who lost ships a chance to return to the fight. The enemy may as well, but this then begins to divert into a strategic fight. It becomes a matter of who can hold the field longer, who has resources (more ships to lose), who has the better logistics and such. Claiming territory/having your base or staging area near the fight starts to matter, which in turn leads to more strategy as people fight to be based out the area with best resources or easier logistic support.

With no points, you get nothing but guerrilla warfare. Ships warp in, pop a target and go. There's little defense against it and the game grows stale. Heck... Look at some of the biggest fights. They occured because a mistake was made, someone held a target in Space using some form of warp disrupt, and the big fight to either save that target or kill it ensued.

Now think about titans... Under your system, they would almost never die. To alpha one would take multiple other titans. You would not see smaller groups kill them because they could always run. How is having the biggest ship in game unkillable unless blogged by more titans be any fun?

Oh my.

If I had your passive-aggressive mental health problems and obvious issues with the Eve forums...I'd avoid the Eve forums.

My recent loss is only the starting point for thinking about it.

Honestly, there's so much whining on these forums you can't get any signal through the noise.

Do I sound upset about my loss? I should have a transcript of chat with a corpmate. I'll tell you now what I said then.

I probably made their night. I saw it coming and jumped anyway. To see if they'd catch me - they're lucky they did. The two I saw had 3 more on the other side of the gate. I even tried to dump my 700m cargo so it would not be half destroyed and someone would get it.

After, all I could think about was how lame their game choice was. Sitting on a gate. Hoping. And jump on a hauler. Which likely would be empty and no challenge. Nothing to brag about in corp chat. Well, now they have at least loot to enjoy from it. But they didn't get a fight. Neither did I.

We could have saved everyone time by my just sending them money. Then they could go enjoy some real PVP.

That loss is not me here crying about it.

It's me here crying about how lame the entire situation was. Mostly for them.

Furious Timewaster of a read.

Three thumbs down.

What do your feelings have to do with anything?

From a strategic perspective, you undocked in a poorly fit ship.

You then blundered into a gatecamp.

You just said:



You would like more tactics. Fine. What tactics did you actually employ? It seems pretty disingenuous to say, "I would like more tactics," and then claim that you basically intentionally suicided yourself into a gatecamp.

I feel fairly confident in saying that, had I been piloting that Nereus, even poorly fit as it is, it would not have died.

I was in a fine ship. 3 stabs. Heavy tank. Drones, gun, neut. But you can only do so much. 5 to 1 and it's my fit, eh?

The only tactic was to turn back when I saw them on the near gate side. The only tactical option was to turn back. I gambled it was two; it was FW space, and large groups are rare. They attract fights. To be fair,, they probably were hunting, not camping. I didn't stick around to chit chat. No need to add a pod to the list.

I was ready for a fight to escape. You're right. I should not escape that. They didn't need stabs really anyway... It only took 3 volleys to end it.

But it is as I said, not really about my loss. That was inspirational. Not the point. Indeed, points (disrupt) aren't the end of the point (idea).

Yep. It's your fit, to a large degree.

Stabs are a poor choice in general. On something as slow to align as an industrial, reality is that you're probably going to get hit with too many points, anyway. Add hictors, which don't give a single **** about your stabs, and you would be far better off almost anything else in those slots. Nanofibers or I-stabs. And a damage control.

I've put stabs on WH Epithals before, but that's really just due to the middling-high probability of a solo stealth bomber popping out on a POCO.

That gun is the epitome of useless (And, really, a faction blaster?).

As for tactics:

Problem #1: You warped directly to the gate. That was foolish. Had you warped to a safe or nearby celestial and scanned the gate, you could have seen that there were hostiles there. It won't save you every time - they could all be on the other side of the gate - but it's still a bit negligent to not even check.

A scout is obviously better.

I'm betting you jumped through as soon as you landed. There's always a chance you can bait them into engaging you there, giving themselves a weapons timer and preventing them from following you. You can soak a couple hits. Trying to warp away on the spot will force at least one to engage, while still leaving you close enough to the gate to hop through.

Now, here's where your bad fit comes into play:

There's a VERY good chance you could have escaped if you had fit a cloak and MWD. Not 100%, by any means, but still quite good. When you landed on the other side, it is VERY possible that you could have aligned, cloaked, hit the MWD, waited for it to cycle, decloaked and instantly warped, all without them ever getting a lock on you.