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I agree, as I've already mentioned in more detail on my page 3 post i.e. it reduces functionality and versatility.

CCP Turtlepower expressed in-game in the help channel that the tactical camera can be used, however, it's evident that it can't to the same degree as the right-click method, in fact it's all-over the place.

Seems very illogical removing features when there is no need too...

While it may be intended it is not the best idea. It usually helps your case when you explain your thought process when REMOVING existing features.

Yes, you can do it in tactical view, but then you have to switch from orbit to tactical and back again to take a peek. Why? What's the benefit? Why is it better than before?

Increasing speed at movement greatly reduced the nausea affect.
Why i'm getting it? ... Well it's all because of expected movement versus, reality.

Basicly it feels like using a monitor that consistently is always 100 ms behind on movement.
This coupled with the fact that it's harder to accuractly move the camera exactly to the point of where you want it to be. It kinda skids after you're done moving the camera, which gives it a rolling effect that just mess with my eye to screen coordination completely.
My guess it that the problems would go away, if the camera was alot more accurate in its movement.

I hope that makes sense.

The new camera is again an example of style over function if you ask me. I tried to like it - but in the old system all I had to do was click on an object to look at it and have it tracked. It might be the old age kicking in, but for the life of me I cant figure out how to get the same functionality easily in the new system. So after some dicking around, I did what I did with the new map and the new probes - opt out.

I need to be able to easily look at selected objects on overview/directional scan window in such a way that I can run another DS at lower angle. (finding stuff to shoot)

This would involve lining up the camera with the selected object in such a way that the center of my ship falls on the line between the 2.

That is true for me too. When accidentally activated manual FOV (hold CTRL and scroll up/down) i thought for a second i am going to empty my stomach.

At least put an option to turn it off or unbind/change keys for it

I'm sorry, this simply adds too many extra steps to the process if all I want to do is just "look over there". I shouldn't be required to activate a bird's-eye view of the grid, re-orient myself in relation to everything else on grid based on this new perspective, take the time to click/drag/pan/zoom around to find the thing I want to look at, then re-activate the standard orbital view.

Again, if all I want to do is something as simple as "look over there", it should be as simple as clicking and dragging my camera's view in the desired direction.



As above, the current implementation just adds an extra step that we didn't have to deal with before. (Holding "C" and clicking, as opposed to just clicking.) The solution is to make it a toggle.



Can you elaborate on this game design decision to remove what was a very valuable tool to a vast majority of players?

I'm struggling to figure why this was removed, when it was so obviously a boon in chasing people during PvP. The ability to track people as they warped away was resoundingly well-received when it was introduced back in 2012. Removing it is simply not an improvement by any stretch of the imagination.

You can uncheck "Try new camera" under the general settings tab in the esc menu. Everyone else has.

I'm sure I've made my opinion on this new camera very obvious in multiple threads and in multiple subforums but just to keep it "official" I'll add my truncated 2 cents here.

I opt OUT.

1. Adding key presses to use camera tracking = ... you know I can't even figure out how to put into words how stupid this is. Who came along and seriously though "HEY, lets make it so accomplishing the same task requires more effort" Isn't the purpose of UI revamps supposed to be to IMPROVE functionality?

2. New camera will not allow tracking of objects in warp. REALLY? This is listed like it's supposed to be a fix or improvement? So what your saying is... it's not fair that someone can see where a carebear or lp farmer warps away too so that they can give chase. They obviously want to run away so leave them alone. Are you F'ing kidding me? In the best scenario this looks like an attempt to avoid a bug related to the new camera attempting to track objects that are entering warp that you're just too lazy to fix the proper way.

3. Camera response curves. Crap trying to make camera movements look all smooth and instead what we get is a camera whose function is essentially laggy as hell. Zooming in and out is wholly unpredictable where your view is actually going to come to rest. I like the way another person put it "It is spongy". A camera's response in the middle of a fleet battle should not be describable by words like "Spongy."

4. Ship offset/speed offset. Just visually distracting and makes it harder to visualize what your looking at when using the tracking camera, particularly when combining tracking camera with dscan to search for targets. So long as it remains a feature that can be disabled though I could care less.

5. Dynamic FOV. Another idea that came out the wrong end of the digestive tract. Any camera zoom that zooms in on the entire star field background is aesthetically and scientifically flawed. Absolutely amazed that any type of QA or decision making review process allowed this idea to proceed.

6. First person camera. Really? Just... really? This is a joke right. Something to appease mindless new pilots are confused because their spaceship game doesn't have a cockpit display? At least the manual piloting has a small degree of usefulness itself but this is just some sort of laugh. Time and resources were spent on this?

So much of this camera is just so incredibly poorly thought out, incredibly poorly tested. We've been providing feedback for ages in the appropriate thread and yet still here we have this steam pile of refuse that has been made "opt out."

Most of the other UI changes I don't really find any reason to moan about. They have been mostly cosmetic and not to a degree that they can cause nausea like this new camera. You won't hear me complaining about taking away a briefcase or making our icons all monochrome, but this thing not only absolutely assaults the senses, it breaks game feature functionality and THAT is a big no no for something that is billed as an "improvement."

You call the old camera "old code" that's due for a revamp but at least the folks who wrote that "old code" seemed to have a real grasp on what they were doing. This new mess makes you guys look like amateurs.

Please keep the old camera as a permanent "legacy" option for those who prefer it. No one should have to lose ships because you forced us to use the new one with all its wonkiness. Even if said wonkiness is ironed out, we should always have the option to use the old camera-- and I think that goes for the map and scanner interfaces as well.

Thank you.