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Wait a second, you have NOT fully specified what will be done for EACH choice that we have: to fly carrier, or to fly faux.

To continue to fly carriers:

- Will carriers use Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration? Triage modules?
- Fighters skill?
- Capital Remote Armor, Shield, Energy Transfer?

It sounds like you want to switch the triage and remote repair modules to apply to fauxes, and so you are probably planning on requiring another skill and module for carrier siege mode. NOT triage.

It's ok if the plans for carriers haven't been finalized yet, as long as you confirm that people who refuse the Force Auxiliary skill, and thus keep their Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration and associated skills, will have these skills switched over to whatever the carriers will use once THAT change goes through.

So please clarify:

- what skills will be required to fly carriers
- what skills will be switched to the carrier versions, specifically if triage still applies

- what skills will be required to fly force auxiliaries
- and you've already mentioned that fauxes will use the triage skill.

How are we supposed to know which fax book to buy and inject when you haven't released the stats on the fax machines themselves... You guys have been half-arsing this stuff.

Fax skills is one thing, all capital modules stats is another.
Add new fighter to this, and complete stats of citadels.
How we can decide what ships we will be needing if we don't know statistics of the structures they are going to be killing.

It's you can fly what you could fly, not you can do what you could.

You will still be able to fly a carrier unless you decide not to. There are 0 ship that you could fly that you will no longer be able to unless you decide to switch your SP via refund to something else and at that point, YOU made the decision to change so CCP's rule of "If you can fly it before you will after" is not broken.

So in addition to having racial carriers erased, at their cost of each race, which we dont get reimbursed for, we have to shell out the spacebux just to fly the ships we have already been flying (triage) and spent hundreds of hours training for only to have it all wiped out.
Torture you? Thats a good idea... I like that.

Honstly this is a rather poor solution and can not even be called a "solution". The abilities of the orginal skill a rank 16 skill are getting cut in half and the half that got cut away gets a new skill rank 16 as well. Why?

It would have been more sound to just reduce the rank of Fax skill and Carrier skill to rank 7 and everyone who already has the carrier skills at whatever level just gets half the SP back and can then decide on whatever or not to invest them into FAX.

So am I reading this right....I need the hulls as well?

You haven't addressed those of us that have all racial carriers to 5, so now we also need to have the hulls, so what's going to happen to the hulls? are they going to magically turn into the racial force aux? or will we be stuck with hulls to sell now too?

Not to mention investing ANOTHER 2b into books that should really have just been split off the existing skill (simplicity guys, why do you avoid it?)

Whilst it would be nice to know - and perhaps we will find out in 3-4 days.....

If you look in your Overview Settings - there is a new folder for 'Fighters' which has one entry 'Support Fighters'. So it rather looks like our Fighters -> Light Fighters & Fighter Bombers -> Heavy Fighters.

Now - as to numbers, however, I'll guess 1 -> 5 or 6.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/back-to-the-balancing-future/
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174410
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2145814#post2145814

It is a repeated mantra of CCP...

"If you could fly it before, you will be able to do so after the change."

tl;dr- Will CCP break our trst for an extra buck? or will they be true to their word and be faithful to the players?

How is this any different? You are taking my Chimera, Thanatos, Archon, and Nid; splitting then in half and giving us a new hull that we already could use. I didn't train for a Thanatos and Chimera just to be a Triage pilot. Nor did I train them just to be fighter jockies. I trained carriers, rather than dreads because I wanted to be able to do logistics and to participate in the aggressive side of combat.

I can fly Caldari logistic capital hull, I can fly Caldari capital drone ship, it is what I spent over 120+ days training for, it is what I should still be able to fly after the changes. Anything less than that is a breach of trust between the players and CCP, point blank. We the players have always known that any time invested in training for a type of ship would always be of use once we finished the training. Until now.

CCP is violating the one sacred rule, one that we the player base has always felt safe with, and that was the simple knowledge that even if you changed the way things worked later down the road, our training time wouldn't be wasted. Taking that away from us, while tossing in a real currency item that will let us remove those unusable skills, due to the changes, is a money grab.

So I ask you, which is more important, our trust in CCP: that we will always be able to fly what we had before, or a fast buck and completely destroying any faith that CCP will honor any traditions and pledges it has made with the players.

Before you tell us it is a new hull, and that means we never flew it, so it doesn't count. Take a second to recall how you have been contemplating changing current carriers fitted with triage into the new hulls. Basically stating, that thes are the same thing, with a new look and name, but cut in half, no longer having both roles of logistics and combat, but rather each having only part of what it was before. Thus even if I don't move into a FAX, I still won't be flying what I could before, as it is only half the ship it was.

14x skill is 30-50 days to V right? So that's... 120-200 days of training CCP would like me to add to all of my carrier pilots so that they can continue to fulfil the same niche roles, along with dropping 2b per character on skillbooks.

What about my unsubbed characters? Am I expected to resub all of my carrier sitting toons just to be able to have this flexibility? What are the stats of the new carriers? How are the new fighters working? Am I going to be adding on another month of training there?

This is badly thought through. Dedicated multiracial triage alts are looking at 4-6 months of additional training to be able to fly the ships that they've been flying previously. Add on fighters / bombers and if the changes are anything like this set of changes then we're looking at 6-9 months of training.

I'm sure that for the people that don't have dedicated triage alts, this is less of an issue. But I do fly triage, I do have dedicated triage alts, and I have dedicated delivery/sitter pilots too. I fail to see how CCP's mantra of "fly it before, fly it now" is being maintained in any form by this announcement.

Especially annoying as it seems that I'm expected to pay £40-60 per pilot to get them back to where they are at present (ignoring ISK costs) in terms of being able to log in and immediately drop in a capital fleet of any kind in whatever role is required.